The Dangers of White Supremacy Ideology in America

[BlackVision]

BV, will you accept my challenge, or do you give up?

You lost already. Very simple fact that you refused to answer my question. An exceptionally important question shows that you've already given up.

 

[chroot]

Can you please point out the posts in which I got personal? I am asking you questions and I thought this was a discussion board.

I may be misinterpreting your questions, but I get the distinct feeling you're trying to lead me into a trap with your questions. If so, fine -- I've already admitted I don't really have any evidence and am only offering an opinion.

Can you start to explain it by "It can be explained neatly, I think, by exponential technological growth seeded by largely chance events that happened a very long time ago." I am all ears. Also, can you please define what you mean by chance?

How many times do I need to explain this concept to you? I've already explained it several times.

Chance means the happenstance birth of an especially gifted person who happens to enjoy education and happens to have the socioeconomic status to obtain that education and happens to choose to study some topic that could have a particularly large impact on his society and happens to stumble across a new way to do something in that topic. *huff puff, run on sentence* Chance, in this context, is not a difficult thing to understand either.

- Warren

 

[Evo]

Get this. Evo still believes "Whites Only" sign didn't exist despite the fact that I provided evidence to the contrary. You have lost the credibility to show facts, you have lost the credibility of honesty.


Should Old 'Whites Only' Signs Be Displayed?[/color]

Posted March 14, 2003 -- Dallas County, Texas, commissioners decided this week to uncover "Whites only" signs above water fountains in the county records building and display them in the name of history, rather than remove them, according to the Fort Worth Star Telegram.

http://www.bet.com/articles/0%2C104...506-1%2C00.html


'Whites Only' signs win reprieve[/color]

Fading "Whites Only" signs on water fountains at the county records building will be uncovered and marked with plaques explaining their historical significance, Dallas County commissioners decided Tuesday.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram...xas/5373029.htm

Yeah, show that to be a fact everywhere in the US. Dagenais just proved you wrong. At least he can post some truth.

Check it out BV, colored never referred to asians back then.

 

[BlackVision]

bobf, I would suggest that you read up on this latest information first.

Here is the evidence you are asking for.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=38546

posts 21 & 25

bobf, don't even bother. I already debunked that. Your energy is best spent elsewhere.

 

[bobf]

I'll have to agree with her on this one. It didn't say, "Whites Only".

It said, "No Colors". Again, the movie Remember The Titans (which was based on a true story). It was always, "no colors". Asians weren't welcomed to waltz into a restaurant where blacks were allowed, and neither were the other minorities.



Yellow isn't a color? Native Americans (reds)? Even Mexicans were discriminated against. This is pure common sense.

Take the KKK for example. Their famous slogan, "If you're not white, you're not right."



Obviously you haven't talked to Chroot before.

Here is some information on Whites only signs:

http://www.bet.com/articles/1,,c1gb5760-6506,00.html

and here:

www.brainpop.com/partners/macmillanmh/pdfs/brownvboe_transcript.pdf+whites+only+signs&hl=en]Whites only signs [/URL]

We see two water fountains. One has a “Whites Only” sign and is nice and cleanand the other one is lower and not so nice with a sign that says “Coloreds only”.

 

[Evo]

bobf, don't even bother. I already debunked that. Your energy is best spent elsewhere.

Debunked that where? Please show me.

 

[Evo]

Here is some information on Whites only signs:

http://www.bet.com/articles/1,,c1gb5760-6506,00.html

and here:

www.brainpop.com/partners/macmillanmh/pdfs/brownvboe_transcript.pdf+whites+only+signs&hl=en]Whites only signs [/URL]

We see two water fountains. One has a “Whites Only” sign and is nice and cleanand the other one is lower and not so nice with a sign that says “Coloreds only”.

Check it out, asians were considered "whites" back then. Only African Americans were considered colored.

 

[bobf]

I may be misinterpreting your questions, but I get the distinct feeling you're trying to lead me into a trap with your questions. If so, fine -- I've already admitted I don't really have any evidence and am only offering an opinion.


How many times do I need to explain this concept to you? I've already explained it several times.

Chance means the happenstance birth of an especially gifted person who happens to enjoy education and happens to have the socioeconomic status to obtain that education and happens to choose to study some topic that could have a particularly large impact on his society and happens to stumble across a new way to do something in that topic. *huff puff, run on sentence* Chance, in this context, is not a difficult thing to understand either.

- Warren

Does chance require all the variables, gifted, education, socioeconomic status, etc? What about those who have invented technologies and didn't have an education, weren't born into a high socioeconomic status, etc? Can we use chance to show that all races are indeed the same and have the same abilities? How does inheritability of intelligence play into the theory of chance? What about the studies one twins?

 

[BlackVision]

Yeah, show that to be a fact everywhere in the US. Dagenais just proved you wrong. At least he can post some truth. Check it out BV, colored never referred to asians back then.

"Yellow isn't a color? Native Americans (reds)? Even Mexicans were discriminated against. This is pure common sense. Take the KKK for example. Their famous slogan, "If you're not white, you're not right."--Dagenais

Right. Uh huh. Dagenais proved me wrong even though he specifically stated that Asians were considered colored.

 

[bobf]

Check it out, asians were considered "whites" back then. Only African Americans were considered colored.

check what out?

 

[Evo]

check what out?

Check out what was considered "colored".

 

[bobf]

Check out what was considered "colored".

can you provide a link? Did you visit the links I provided on whites only signs?

 

[BlackVision]

Debunked that where? Please show me.

I'm going to ask you one simple question, I expect you to give me a direct answer back. Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

 

[Evo]

BV, will you accept my challenge, or do you give up?

Very easy, yes or no.

This is the last time I wll ask.

If you do not accept my challenge, then I accept your defeat.

 

[bobf]

BV, will you accept my challenge, or do you give up?

Very easy, yes or no.

This is the last time I wll ask.

If you do not accept my challenge, then I accept your defeat.

What about all the questions you were asked? Will that mean that you were defeated as well? :surprise:

 

[Evo]

What about all the questions you were asked? Will that mean that you were defeated as well? :surprise:

I've already answered most of your trivial questions. I asked BV to respond to a very significant study that shows everything he posts is wrong. Three times he has avoided answering. Don't try to play trivial games here to deflect the issues at hand, it will not place you in a favorable light.

This isn't a forum to play games in.

 

[bobf]

I've already answered most of your trivial questions. I asked BV to respond to a very significant study that shows everything he posts is wrong. Three times he has avoided answering. Don't try to play trivial games here to deflect the issues at hand, it will not place you in a favorable light.

This isn't a forum to play games in.

Who is playing games? I asked for evidence on all of your claims and you offered none, zilch, nothing. I think someone is playing games, and I don't think it is me...

 

[Evo]

"Yellow isn't a color? Native Americans (reds)? Even Mexicans were discriminated against. This is pure common sense. Take the KKK for example. Their famous slogan, "If you're not white, you're not right."--Dagenais

Right. Uh huh. Dagenais proved me wrong even though he specifically stated that Asians were considered colored.

No, you need to check out what "colored" meant when those signs were posted. You are completely wrong.

 

[Evo]

Who is playing games? I asked for evidence on all of your claims and you offered none, zilch, nothing. I think someone is playing games, and I don't think it is me...

Please list the questions I have not answered.

 

[Evo]

BlackVision has not accepted my challenge to refute the study of Eric Turkheimer published in the November 2003 issue of The Journal of Psychological Science.

I have allowed him three opportunities to do so.

I rest my case.

 

[bobf]

Please list the questions I have not answered.

1. I quickly looked at that thread and it seems to be based on one study. Has the findings been repeated by others? One study hardly proves anything in science.

2. Supply evidence that the authors of the bell curve are racist and were convicted of burning crosses.

3. Provide evidence that asians were allowed to drink out of whites only fountains and enter whites only establishments.

4. Can you provide evidence that all races are equal, with the same abilites, etc?

 

[bobf]

BlackVision has not accepted my challenge to refute the study of Eric Turkheimer published in the November 2003 issue of The Journal of Psychological Science.

I have allowed him three opportunities to do so.

I rest my case.

This is one study, and in science, one study means nothing. Was the study repeated by other scientists with the same results?

 

[BlackVision]

BV, will you accept my challenge, or do you give up?

Very easy, yes or no.

This is the last time I wll ask.

If you do not accept my challenge, then I accept your defeat.

What a coincidence! You dodged my question again. I will accept your defeat. How odd you do not even state what the challenge is, if the challenge is your article in "post 21 and 25" then I believe I have refuted it several times. Heck I was even able to refute it with just one sentence. That is just how flimpsy it was.

"I'm going to ask you one simple question, I expect you to give me a direct answer back. Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?"

We all know why you keep refusing to answer this question because the answer is yes. And a "yes" means the article you posted is flawed.

But for a more detailed response, read the "The Bell Curve" that completely points out the flaws of weighing SES without taking intelligence into consideration.

 

[BlackVision]

BlackVision has not accepted my challenge to refute the study of Eric Turkheimer published in the November 2003 issue of The Journal of Psychological Science.

I have allowed him three opportunities to do so.

I rest my case.

What a lie. I tackled that over and over again. I repeately asked the question about the importance and relevance of intelligence to SES. Evo ignored my request every single time. I rest my case.

 

[Evo]

This is one study, and in science, one study means nothing. Was the study repeated by other scientists with the same results?

Numerous other studies were conducted at the same time to prove otherwise and were abandoned. No study to date has been able to disprove this and this is currently accepted.

If you can find a study that disproves this, I will be more than willing to read it.

 

[BlackVision]

1. I quickly looked at that thread and it seems to be based on one study.

A study that's refuted even before it's let out. Read "The Bell Curve" and it will show you the exact flaws of the method used by this study.

 

[bobf]

What a lie. I tackled that over and over again. I repeately asked the question about the importance and relevance of intelligence to SES. Evo ignored my request every single time. I rest my case.

Its seems most on this board will dodge all the questions they do not have an answer for.

 

[Evo]

What a lie. I tackled that over and over again. I repeately asked the question about the importance and relevance of intelligence to SES. Evo ignored my request every single time. I rest my case.

Not a lie. You have never responded to this new study. Show me the posts where you have responded to THIS study. You haven't.

Why haven't you responded BV?

I'm waiting.

 

[bobf]

Numerous other studies were conducted at the same time to prove otherwise and were abandoned. No study to date has been able to disprove this and this is currently accepted.

If you can find a study that disproves this, I will be more than willing to read it.

But, the study is invalid if it has not been repeated with the same results. This is basic science.

 

[Evo]

But, the study is invalid if it has not been repeated with the same results. This is basic science.

So, the Bell Curve is invalid. I have studies listing the discrepancies and skewed data on that study also.

 

[bobf]

Can you post the studies title and authors here? Can you also tell me where it was published?

 

[bobf]

So, the Bell Curve is invalid.

Hmm, is the bell curve based on one study?? If so, can you please provide the evidence?? I would say if any book was based on one study, it would be invalid.

 

[Evo]

Its seems most on this board will dodge all the questions they do not have an answer for.

Yes, BV doesn't answer to direct questions.

 

[bobf]

Yes, BV doesn't answer to direct questions.

I was speaking of you.

 

[bobf]

If I can get more information on the study, I may try to find studies that both support and discredit it.

 

[jammieg]

It's highly unlikely we are all created equal, it is possible that slight differences in genetics could lead up to an industrial revolution 10k years later, but I do have a deepening suspicion that genes play a very small part in differences, maybe it was even the age of reason that sparked the industrial revolution, maybe it was having this strong belief that reason would get us there which is just some very elementary ways of thinking which anyone can do and pulled others out of the dark ages and it is more a communication of good or bad philosophies that lead to progress or disparities than anything else.

 

[Evo]

Hmm, is the bell curve based on one study?? If so, can you please provide the evidence?? I would say if any book was based on one study, it would be invalid.

It was one "study" based on information gathered and then "cleansed" and "edited" for their purposes.

The Bell curve was based on many "studies", I have the full information on them, quite interesting actually. Very interesting how the authors excluded the pertinent information that didn't agree with what they wanted to say.

 

[bobf]

It's highly unlikely we are all created equal, it is possible that slight differences in genetics could lead up to an industrial revolution 10k years later, but I do have a deepening suspicion that genes play a very small part in differences, maybe it was even the age of reason that sparked the industrial revolution, maybe it was having this strong belief that reason would get us there which is just some very elementary ways of thinking which anyone can do and pulled others out of the dark ages and it is more a communication of good or bad philosophies that lead to progress or disparities than anything else.

But this is nothing more then your personal opinion. Do you have any scientific backing or evidence to support your opinion?

 

[bobf]

It was one "study" based on information gathered and then "cleansed" and "edited" for their purposes.

The Bell curve was based on many "studies", I have the full information on them, quite interesting actually. Very interesting how the authors excluded the pertinent information that didn't agree with what they wanted to say.

Can you give me more information on that one "study"? What is the title, who are the authors, and where was it published? Was it published in a peer review journal?

 

[Evo]

I was speaking of you.

I asked you what questions I did not reply to. You have not answered. BV however, has not responded to my challenge.

 

[Evo]

Can you give me more information on that one "study"? What is the title, who are the authors, and where was it published? Was it published in a peer review journal?

I have posted all of that in another thread, but yes, I can repost it. I will have to get it from my file.

I have quite an extensive file.

Are you familiar with the Pioneer Fund?

 

[chroot]

jammieg,

It could simply be that the first society to try to develop advanced technology did so. It certainly does seem like the cultures that held scientific and technological progress as imperatives, like the Romans, were quite successful in those pursuits. Maybe the African cultures just didn't value that sort of progress, and thus didn't achieve it.

Maybe this entire argument boils down to a "blind watchmaker" situation -- who's to say that American industrial society is necessarily "better" than agrarian African society? Who's to say that technological progress is or should be the most important goal in a society, or that it's the most important way to judge that society's "success?"

- Warren

 

[BlackVision]

Hmm Evo is still playing dodgeball. Maybe if I repeat it several times in a row, she'll finally notice it.

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

 

[BlackVision]

So, the Bell Curve is invalid.

Untrue. The Bell Curve was been substantiated by countless psychologists and countless publications following it's own publication.

I have studies listing the discrepancies and skewed data on that study also.

All you ever do is say "it's racist. it's racist" without ever touching any of it's evidence.

 

[bobf]

I asked you what questions I did not reply to. You have not answered. BV however, has not responded to my challenge.

Actually, I listed them again in post #171.

 

[Evo]

Hmm Evo is still playing dodgeball. Many if I repeat it several times in a row, she'll finally notice it.

Do you believe a person with higher intelligence will have higher probability to have a job that will give him higher SES?

Silly question. It would depend on the motivation of that person.

BV - https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=38546

posts 21 & 25

Do you accept my challenge?

 

[bobf]

I have posted all of that in another thread, but yes, I can repost it. I will have to get it from my file.

I have quite an extensive file.

Are you familiar with the Pioneer Fund?

How about just the study title and authors?

 

[Evo]

All you ever do is say "it's racist. it's racist" without ever touching any of it's evidence.

Not true, I specifically listed the tainted studies and how they were tainted.

 

[Dagenais]

Yeah, show that to be a fact everywhere in the US. Dagenais just proved you wrong. At least he can post some truth.

I was simply saying that in some places, they post, "No Colors" instead, and Asians, Native Americans etc. are indeed considered colours (notice I spelt it the Canadian way? But in "No Color", the American way, due to American racism? I'm clever).

And what do you mean by some truth? I've posted nothing but the truth, and a lot of my opinions have been backed up by other people's opinions. My facts have been backed up by links and other resources. I make sure to do this before every post.

Check it out, asians were considered "whites" back then.

No chance in hell.

However, I did know someone who studied in South Africa once (Jahannesburg, I believe). He was Asian, and allowed to study at a 'non-color' school. But this was solely just because nobody bothered to investigate him. There weren't enough Asians there to worry about. However, their mantality was still to separate the races.

Check out what was considered "colored".

Yellow, Red, Black, Brown.

East Asians, Native Americans, Africans, Indians.

BlackVision has not accepted my challenge to refute the study of Eric Turkheimer published in the November 2003 issue of The Journal of Psychological Science.

I have allowed him three opportunities to do so.

I rest my case.

No offense, but you're being kind of childish.

Most of us here know that "no colors" means no browns, yellows, reds, blacks, or purples (yes, I've heard people use 'purple').

And "White-only" means white only, how can you argue that?

You're a mentor. Clearly you were promoted because you showed responsibility in the short amount of time that you were here, but you're not showing it now.

"White only" doesn't mean white only? You've got to be joking...

 

[bobf]

jammieg,

It could simply be that the first society to try to develop advanced technology did so. It certainly does seem like the cultures that held scientific and technological progress as imperatives, like the Romans, were quite successful in those pursuits. Maybe the African cultures just didn't value that sort of progress, and thus didn't achieve it.

Are you saying that Africans wouldn't want a better means of killing game? Did they not advance far enough to create the spear? Can you supply evidence that Africans do not value progress? This sounds more like a cop out.

Maybe this entire argument boils down to a "blind watchmaker" situation -- who's to say that American industrial society is necessarily "better" than agrarian African society? Who's to say that technological progress is or should be the most important goal in a society, or that it's the most important way to judge that society's "success?"

- Warren

I would say you are trying to use relativism. Do you think Africans would like to have a cure for Aids?