The Dangers of White Supremacy Ideology in America

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The discussion centers on the complexities of racial dynamics, particularly the perception of white individuals towards black individuals in America. It highlights the idea that while some white people may appear friendly, this demeanor does not equate to genuine respect for the black community, especially during times of societal stress. The conversation critiques the lack of counterarguments from white individuals against white supremacist rhetoric, suggesting a troubling consensus that could resurface during economic hardships. Additionally, it argues that acknowledging historical injustices is crucial for understanding current racial inequalities, and that ignoring these distinctions may perpetuate harmful stereotypes. The dialogue underscores the importance of addressing past and present racial dynamics to foster genuine understanding and equality.
  • #121
bobf said:
What resources? What intellectual resources? I can get evidence once we define what these resources are and how they contribute to the advancement of the europeans.
Look at it simply: the first person or people to come up with the concept of agriculture radically changed his/her civilization, and gave that civilization a huge advantage over others. The first person to come up with an internal combustion engine did so, as well. Look around you -- there are hundreds of different techniques, materials, processes, and concepts all around you that someone had to invent or stumble across -- everything from number systems to financial systems to government structures to metal-working techniques to building techniques to industrial machines, each building on earlier successes.

- Warren
 
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  • #122
jammieg said:
"How were whites able to come into the area and build if predation was such a problem? What resources did the europeans have that the Africans didn't that allowed them to become more advanced?"-bobf
My guess is it was mostly chance, I mean one area of the world had to in all probability start flowering before others although the affects would spread outward, who is to say it was certainly due to anyone thing, it may have mostly been chance.

Can you provide any evidence that is was chance? What information do you have on the topic? Can you define what you mean by the word chance? Wasn't China very advance at one time in history?
 
  • #123
bobf said:
It seems to me that white fountains would be for white people.
That would be what a person with common sense would say. An attribute Evo seems to lack.
 
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  • #124
chroot said:
Look at it simply: the first person or people to come up with the concept of agriculture radically changed his/her civilization, and gave that civilization a huge advantage over others. The first person to come up with an internal combustion engine did so, as well. Look around you -- there are hundreds of different techniques, materials, processes, and concepts all around you that someone had to invent or stumble across -- everything from number systems to financial systems to government structures to metal-working techniques to building techniques to industrial machines, each building on earlier successes.

- Warren

Why were these people the first to come up with these concepts? Was it purely by chance or was it due to intelligence? Could someone who is mentally disabled with the mind of a 2 year old be able to stumble onto these inventions?
 
  • #125
jammieg said:
My guess is it was mostly chance, I mean one area of the world had to in all probability start flowering before others although the affects would spread outward, who is to say it was certainly due to anyone thing, it may have mostly been chance.
That's essentially what I'm trying to say -- what began as a very small advantage ten thousand years ago, achieved via sheer chance, would bloom into a tremendous advantage today.

- Warren
 
  • #126
chroot said:
That's essentially what I'm trying to say -- what began as a very small advantage ten thousand years ago, achieved via sheer chance, would bloom into a tremendous advantage today.

- Warren

Can you please define what you mean by chance? Can you provide anything at all to back that up?
 
  • #127
bobf said:
Why were these people the first to come up with these concepts? Was it purely by chance or was it due to intelligence? Could someone who is mentally disabled with the mind of a 2 year old be able to stumble onto these inventions?
Certainly civilization-changing concepts and inventions are due to exceptionally bright people. That doesn't mean that person's entire culture is more intelligent than the others on average, however. The majority of inventions that changed history can be attributed to either an individual, or a very small number of people.

- Warren
 
  • #128
chroot said:
That's essentially what I'm trying to say -- what began as a very small advantage ten thousand years ago, achieved via sheer chance, would bloom into a tremendous advantage today.
What impact would the intelligence level of that group have in their technological development?

And when thrown into the same atmosphere, the same society, assuming every race was equal in every single way, shouldn't it mean that every race should succeed equality in every single way as well?
 
  • #129
bobf said:
Evo,

I am not saying you are wrong, but I would love to see some evidence. It seems to me that white fountains would be for white people. I will admit right now that I do not know much about history (I am actually taking a course next semester), but I would love to see your evidence.
There are plenty of facts to prove it, I can flood you with it. It is verifiable history, tv documentation of it. The water fountains were labeled for coloreds. "Colored" people had to ride in the back of the bus. It is all a matter of history. It is a sad history. "Colored" was the word used before "black". Asians were not considered colored, nor were hispanics.

I can either gather up the information here or pm the sources to you. There are more than you can probably handle.

I have no argument with you, you want to learn. It is those that refuse to learn that I feel sorry for.
 
  • #130
bobf said:
Can you please define what you mean by chance? Can you provide anything at all to back that up?
Do I really need to define "chance" for you? I feel you're just playing games with me, and I don't appreciate it. If you have nothing to add, you should leave this discussion. If all you're going to do is ask me leading questions and criticize my admittedly ill-researched posturing, I'm not really interested in talking about this with you.

- Warren
 
  • #131
chroot said:
Certainly civilization-changing concepts and inventions are due to exceptionally bright people. That doesn't mean that person's entire culture is more intelligent than the others on average, however. The majority of inventions that changed history can be attributed to either an individual, or a very small number of people.

- Warren

Are you suggesting that intelligence does play a role in technological advancements? Would you suggest that some groups (races) of people have more intelligent people then others?
 
  • #132
chroot said:
Certainly civilization-changing concepts and inventions are due to exceptionally bright people. That doesn't mean that person's entire culture is more intelligent than the others on average, however. The majority of inventions that changed history can be attributed to either an individual, or a very small number of people.
While it is true that advancements are made by the elite rather than the average, a higher median level for intelligence by a random group, would also likely mean there would be more elites.
 
  • #133
BlackVision said:
And when thrown into the same atmosphere, the same society, assuming every race was equal in every single way, shouldn't it mean that every race should succeed equality in every single way as well?
No, because it's unlikely that one individual in every such civilization would come up with civilization-changing ideas like agriculture, money, the place system, the loom, etc. at the same time. The first culture to gain a slight advantage over the others, even by pure chance, would have rapidly advanced over the others. The people who caused such advancement were particularly gifted, and particularly gifted people certainly occur in every culture.

- Warren
 
  • #134
BlackVision said:
That would be what a person with common sense would say. An attribute Evo seems to lack.
Because you have no conception of what was "known" then. You do not know recent history. You are ignorant of what was commonly known then.

Try reading up on the subject before you post.
 
  • #135
Evo said:
There are plenty of facts to prove it, I can flood you with it. It is verifiable history, tv documentation of it. The water fountains were labeled for coloreds. "Colored" people had to ride in the back of the bus. It is all a matter of history. It is a sad history. "Colored" was the word used before "black". Asians were not considered colored, nor were hispanics.

I can either gather up the information here or pm the sources to you. There are more than you can probably handle.

I have no argument with you, you want to learn. It is those that refuse to learn that I feel sorry for.
I repeat were Asians, as well as Hispanics, allowed to drink from water foundations that said "Whites Only" I already gave my evidence that "Whites Only" signs existed completely refuting your statement that they didn't exist. But once again were Asians allowed to drink from these fountains?
 
  • #136
chroot said:
Do I really need to define "chance" for you? I feel you're just playing games with me, and I don't appreciate it. If you have nothing to add, you should leave this discussion. If all you're going to do is ask me leading questions and criticize my admittedly ill-researched posturing, I'm not really interested in talking about this with you.

- Warren

Why do you feel the need to get personal. I need to know what way you are using the word "chance" so that I can address your comments. Does chance really exist?
 
  • #137
Evo said:
Because you have no conception of what was "known" then. You do not know recent history. You are ignorant of what was commonly known then.

Try reading up on the subject before you post.

Why have you ignored all of my requests for evidence? You have said so many unsubstantiated statements and have offered zero evidence.
 
  • #138
Evo still hasn't responded to this post. What a surprise! :smile: :smile: :smile:


Should Old 'Whites Only' Signs Be Displayed?[/color]

Posted March 14, 2003 -- Dallas County, Texas, commissioners decided this week to uncover "Whites only" signs above water fountains in the county records building and display them in the name of history, rather than remove them, according to the Fort Worth Star Telegram.

http://www.bet.com/articles/0%2C1048%2Cc1gb5760-6506-1%2C00.html


'Whites Only' signs win reprieve[/color]

Fading "Whites Only" signs on water fountains at the county records building will be uncovered and marked with plaques explaining their historical significance, Dallas County commissioners decided Tuesday.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/local/states/texas/5373029.htm
 
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  • #139
BlackVision said:
I repeat were Asians, as well as Hispanics, allowed to drink from water foundations that said "Whites Only" I already gave my evidence that "Whites Only" signs existed completely refuting your statement that they didn't exist. But once again were Asians allowed to drink from these fountains?
Yes, they were. But they did not say "whites only", did you not read what I posted?
 
  • #140
bobf said:
Are you suggesting that intelligence does play a role in technological advancements?
Of course, it would be asinine to say it didn't. Technological advancement requires intelligent individuals. What I don't feel is important is some notion of the intelligence of an entire group or race of people -- since most important inventions, again, were invented by particularly gifted individuals or small groups of people, and particularly gifted people exist in every group.
Would you suggest that some groups (races) of people have more intelligent people then others?
No, that's entirely my point. :smile: You don't need to invoke some generalization about Europeans being smarter than Africans to explain their present-day lead in technology. It can be explained neatly, I think, by exponential technological growth seeded by largely chance events that happened a very long time ago.

- Warren
 
  • #141
bobf said:
Why do you feel the need to get personal. I need to know what way you are using the word "chance" so that I can address your comments. Does chance really exist?
I feel that you have been getting personal here for a while, as you're not really discussing anything with me. You're just asking me leading questions, and I find it somewhat annoying.

- Warren
 
  • #142
I realize my speculation is weak but I guess what I mean is that if civilization had really flowered and spread from Asia then everyone might say, "well that figures they are smarter", if it had mostly been born from Africa people would probably say "well that figures they came from a harsh environment", that's not to say that Europe was the main place of all technology and science but as Chroot said success add to success and probably accelerates them and predispose people to all the bad and good of them such that the Americans moving into Alaska had a severe impact on the Native popullation by introducing alchohol for example. I do know that there are slight genetic differences from one group to another but so slight that it's hard to say if they truly make most or even some of the perceived differences, I mean if Asians are more intelligent then why didn't they spark the industrial revolution or go to the moon?
 
  • #143
chroot said:
Of course, it would be asinine to say it didn't. Technological advancement requires intelligent individuals. What I don't feel is important is some notion of the intelligence of an entire group or race of people -- since most important inventions, again, were invented by particularly gifted individuals or small groups of people, and particularly gifted people exist in every group.

No, that's entirely my point. :smile: You don't need to invoke some generalization about Europeans being smarter than Africans to explain their present-day lead in technology. It can be explained neatly, I think, by exponential technological growth seeded by largely chance events that happened a very long time ago.

- Warren

Can you start to explain it by "It can be explained neatly, I think, by exponential technological growth seeded by largely chance events that happened a very long time ago." I am all ears. Also, can you please define what you mean by chance?
 
  • #144
BlackVision said:
Evo still hasn't responded to this post. What a surprise! :smile: :smile: :smile:
What post? I've responded to your posts, you have not responded to mine.
*************
BV, will you accept my challenge, or do you give up?

Very easy, yes or no.
 
  • #145
chroot said:
I feel that you have been getting personal here for a while, as you're not really discussing anything with me. You're just asking me leading questions, and I find it somewhat annoying.

- Warren

Can you please point out the posts in which I got personal? I am asking you questions and I thought this was a discussion board. :smile:
 
  • #146
jammieg said:
I realize my speculation is weak but I guess what I mean is that if civilization had really flowered and spread from Asia then everyone might say, "well that figures they are smarter", if it had mostly been born from Africa people would probably say "well that figures they came from a harsh environment", that's not to say that Europe was the main place of all technology and science but as Chroot said success add to success and probably accelerates them and predispose people to all the bad and good of them such that the Americans moving into Alaska had a severe impact on the Native popullation by introducing alchohol for example. I do know that there are slight genetic differences from one group to another but so slight that it's hard to say if they truly make most or even some of the perceived differences, I mean if Asians are more intelligent then why didn't they spark the industrial revolution or go to the moon?

Very good questions. Are you suggesting that all races are equal in regards to intelligence and if so, can you supply any evidence?
 
  • #147
No actually you do if you're going to completely deny the fact that, likely the majority was Jews, were left with absolutely nothing after WWII. No money, no possessions, no place to go.

Let's not forget, when the blacks were freed...well, they were free.

A lot of the Nazis while on the verge of being defeated or after defeat, freed the prisons where they left the Jews. They left the Jews there in cages, to starve and die ("Why We Fight", Band of Brothers). I would hardly call that an advantage.

Wrong again, they were far worst off.

Maybe are friend Evo, should take a look at "Why We Fight". Then afterwards, after she sees how the Jews were...'free', she can come back and continue the discussion.

Maybe he will turn out ok? Are you implying that he is not ok now? What is wrong with him in your opinion? hmm, not a personal attack??

Yes, I've noticed another member of the PF staff throwing personal attacks around as well. In fact, I was just finished being insulted by a member of the PF staff. When I snapped back, I received a warning. I guess the unwritten rule here is "Everything the PF Staff says even though offensive, will not be held as an insult. Members are not allowed to refute without inane repercussions."


Wrong again. The vast majority of Asians today come from the poor Asian countries such as China, Vietnam, etc. who come to America with nothing.

What bothers me even more is that NoahAfrica, Evo and Chroot act as if African-Americans are all poor and disadvantaged. Asians however, marched into the continent with bags of money, fancy diplomas and classy jobs/houses waiting for them. It's absolutely absurd.

It relates to this topic as a whole so it's completely on topic. Or are you trying to suggest that when we try to debate something we shouldn't use something similar as examples?

It's a conspiracy against me. They hate me because I'm French Canadian. :rolleyes:

But seriously, I get a lot of disrespectful comments around here. I've been here longer than some of the mentors have, yet you're free to insult me but not them? :confused:

No, only to blacks.

No, it's basically always been "white superiority" and Asians have suffered many of the same things African-Americans have, but people have taken less notice to it.

It's always, "White-only restaurants" - "No colors". The fact that less Asians were around during that time makes it less noticeable.

I don't pretend to have the answers either, but I don't know how one can say intelligence does not play a role.

Because it does.

No, it never said "whites only", you made an error in assuming something that wasn't said. Again, don't try to discuss something that you know nothing about.


I'll have to agree with her on this one. It didn't say, "Whites Only".

It said, "No Colors". Again, the movie Remember The Titans (which was based on a true story). It was always, "no colors". Asians weren't welcomed to waltz into a restaurant where blacks were allowed, and neither were the other minorities.

Asians were not considered colored, nor were hispanics.

Yellow isn't a color? Native Americans (reds)? Even Mexicans were discriminated against. This is pure common sense.

Take the KKK for example. Their famous slogan, "If you're not white, you're not right."

Why do you feel the need to get personal.

Obviously you haven't talked to Chroot before.
 
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  • #148
Evo said:
What post? I've responded to your posts, you have not responded to mine.
*************
BV, will you accept my challenge, or do you give up?

Very easy, yes or no.

Whats the challenge to BV again?
 
  • #149
Evo said:
Yes, they were. But they did not say "whites only", did you not read what I posted?
Get this. Evo still believes "Whites Only" sign didn't exist despite the fact that I provided evidence to the contrary. You have lost the credibility to show facts, you have lost the credibility of honesty.


Should Old 'Whites Only' Signs Be Displayed?[/color]

Posted March 14, 2003 -- Dallas County, Texas, commissioners decided this week to uncover "Whites only" signs above water fountains in the county records building and display them in the name of history, rather than remove them, according to the Fort Worth Star Telegram.

http://www.bet.com/articles/0%2C104...506-1%2C00.html


'Whites Only' signs win reprieve[/color]

Fading "Whites Only" signs on water fountains at the county records building will be uncovered and marked with plaques explaining their historical significance, Dallas County commissioners decided Tuesday.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram...xas/5373029.htm
 
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  • #150
bobf said:
Very good questions. Are you suggesting that all races are equal in regards to intelligence and if so, can you supply any evidence?
bobf, I would suggest that you read up on this latest information first.

Here is the evidence you are asking for.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=38546

posts 21 & 25
 

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