The Double Helix - Hydrogen bonding and stability

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the stability of base pairs in DNA, specifically focusing on hydrogen bonding between thymine-adenine and cytosine-guanine pairs. Participants explore how the number of hydrogen bonds influences stability, and they consider the implications of bond energy in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant ranks thymine-adenine as the most stable pair, followed by cytosine-guanine, and suggests that cytosine-adenine is the least stable due to its lack of clarity.
  • Another participant proposes that the stability of the base pairs is related to the number of hydrogen bonds, specifically questioning whether G-C with three hydrogen bonds is more stable than A-T with two hydrogen bonds.
  • A participant asserts that larger bond energy indicates that more energy is needed to break the bond, suggesting that this correlates with greater stability.
  • One participant reinforces the idea that stronger bonds equate to more stability, using an analogy of "stickiness" to describe how more hydrogen bonds make the molecules harder to separate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the number of hydrogen bonds affects stability, but there is no consensus on the ranking of the base pairs or the implications of bond energy.

Contextual Notes

Participants express assumptions about the relationship between bond energy and stability without providing detailed definitions or mathematical justifications for their claims.

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Rank the following base pairs according to their stability.
Rank from most to least stable. To rank items as equivalent, overlap them.

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I have found out that the first one is thymine-adenine pair and the second one is a cytosine-guanine pair. The third one is cytosine paired with adenine, which doesn't make sense, so it must be the least stable. Now how do I go about determining if the A-T pair or C-G pair is more stable? It has something to do with the number of bonds, maybe?
 
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Vivianian said:
It has something to do with the number of bonds, maybe?

I think that is a safe assumption. Now just ask yourself which pair would require the most energy to break the hydrogen bonds; G-C with three H-bonds, or A-T with two H-bonds? This will be the most stable pairing.
 
I know that the larger the bond energy, the more energy is needed to break the bond. If the more energy is needed to break the bond, that means the bond is stronger and more stable. Is this correct?
 
Vivianian said:
I know that the larger the bond energy, the more energy is needed to break the bond. If the more energy is needed to break the bond, that means the bond is stronger and more stable. Is this correct?

Yep. Then just follow mplayer's advice and you should get the answer. I imagine them as being sticky: the more points (bonds) that can stick togeather, the more sticky the molecules are and the harder they are to pull apart!
 
nobahar said:
I imagine them as being sticky: the more points (bonds) that can stick togeather, the more sticky the molecules are and the harder they are to pull apart!

That's a nice trick. Thanks for the advice! :)
 

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