What Is the Net Electric Force in a DNA Hydrogen Bond?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net electric force in a hydrogen bond between adenine and thymine in a DNA molecule, modeled using point charges. Participants are exploring the interactions and forces between these charges based on given values and distances.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the net electric force using Coulomb's law with four point charges, but expresses uncertainty about their calculations and the application of the hint provided. Other participants question the numerical values used for the charges and suggest clarifying the meaning of "e" in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, offering suggestions for checking values and clarifying assumptions. There is a recognition of potential errors in the arithmetic and charge values, but no consensus has been reached on the final calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the charge values being derived from a factor of an electron, which introduces a layer of complexity regarding the assumptions made about the charges in the model. The original poster acknowledges a critical oversight in interpreting these values.

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Homework Statement



In a DNA molecule, the base pair adenine and thymine is held together by two hydrogen bonds (see figure below).

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Let's model one of these hydrogen bonds as four point charges arranged along a straight line. Using the information in the figure below, calculate the magnitude of the net electric force along this hydrogen bond.

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Homework Equations



F=(k*|q1|*|q2|)/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



Since we are looking at 4 point charges, we need 4 equations. They are:

k = 8.99x10^9 (N*m^2)/C^2
N = -3x10^-10 C
O = -4x10^-10 C
H = 3x10^-10 C
C = 4x10^-10 C

F_no = (k*|N|*|O|) / ((3x10^-10 m)^2) = -1.20x10^10 N -> negative as repelling force
F_nc = (k*|N|*|C|) / ((4.2x10^-10 m)^2) = 6.12x10^9 N
F_ho = (k*|H|*|O|) / ((1.8x10^-10 m)^2) = 3.33x10^10 N
F_hc = (k*|H|*|C|) / ((3x10^-10 m)^2) = -1.2x10^10 N -> negative as repelling force

Since we are asked for find the magnitude of the net electric force, we need to sum all 4 forces together.

ΣF = F_no + F_nc + F_ho + F_hc = 1.54x10^10 N

... Opps. So I must have done something wrong.

The hint given was "You need 4 eqns: pair N&O, N&C, H&O, H&C and use the charges & distances appropriate for each pair to get a net magnitude between the bases." ... which to my knowledge I have here.

So not sure what I did wrong. Any help would be much appreciated.
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StormPix said:
N = -3x10^-10 C
O = -4x10^-10 C
H = 3x10^-10 C
C = 4x10^-10 C

Check these numbers. What does "e" stand for in the picture?
 
I'm not following your arithmetic.
It would be clearer to leave out k and the unit charge of an electron as common factors to bring in later. E.g. for N::O write -0.3*0.4/(0.12+0.18)2.
 
TSny said:
Check these numbers. What does "e" stand for in the picture?

Ah! Small but critical oversight on my part. "e" meant electron ... so that each base pair is a factor .3 or .4 charge of an electron.

This would make:

N = (-.3)(1.602x10^-19 C) = -4.806x10^-20 C
H = (.3)(1.602x10^-19 C) = 4.806x10^-20 C
O = (-.4)(1.602x10^-19 C) = -6.408x10^-20 C
C = (.4)(1.602x10^-19 C) = 6.408x10^-20 C

Using these new values for N, H, O, C I get

F_no = -3.08x10^-10 N -> repelling force
F_nc = 1.57x10^-10 N
F_ho = 8.55x10^-10 N
F_hc = -3.08x10^-10 N -> repelling force

Such that,

ΣF = 2*(-3.08x10^-10 N) + 1.57x10^-10 N + 8.55x10^-10 N = 3.99x10^-10 N which ended up be the correct answer.

Thanks a lot.
 

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