The Earth's Precessional motion

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The discussion revolves around the potential relationship between the Earth's precessional motion and global warming. Participants explore how the cyclical nature of precession, which occurs over approximately 26,000 years, might influence climate patterns and temperature changes on Earth.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the Earth's precessional motion could contribute to global warming, prompting questions about the mechanisms involved.
  • One participant references the Milankovitch cycles, explaining how the Earth's elliptical orbit affects seasonal temperatures based on its position relative to the sun.
  • Another participant challenges the initial claim by questioning the extent of precession's impact, noting that the angle of precession could cycle between adding or subtracting a small percentage to seasonal severity.
  • There is a mention of the perturbation caused by precession being under 0.7 degrees, leading to speculation about its significance compared to other factors like sunspot activity.
  • A participant asks for clarification on the current angle of precession in relation to the sun, indicating that this could influence the effects being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of Earth's precessional motion in relation to global warming. While some explore its potential contributions, others question its impact, leading to an unresolved discussion with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific mechanisms by which precession might influence climate, as well as the current state of the Earth's axial tilt and its implications for seasonal changes.

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Could the Earth's Precessional motion {40,000 years for one loop} cause or contribute to Global warming?
 
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See Milankovitch cycle (google)

The Earth's orbit around the sun is an ellipse, and the aphelion and perihelion shift over time and with respect to the solstices. In short, when summer occurs and the Earth is furthest away (aphelion), the northern hemisphere gets colder because there is less insolation. When summer occurs at perihelion the reverse is true, things heat up. That is the idea anyway.
 
plutoisacomet said:
Could the Earth's Precessional motion {40,000 years for one loop} cause or contribute to Global warming?
Would you care to postulate a hypothesis as to how it might?

(Incidentally, IIRC it's more like 26,000 years)
 
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Precession and Global Warming.

I'll bite.

The roughly 47.5 degrees of swing with respect to the equinoxes causes seasons. No big surprise there. The perturbation caused by precession of the poles is a tad under 0.7 degrees. So that would mean that the pole precession depending on the angle with respect to the sun would cycle between adding about 0.75% to the severity of seasons to lessening them by 0.75% and back over about 26,000 years.

With such a tiny addition or subtraction I don't see how it could have a lasting effect. We probably see more severe disturbances in weather due to sunspot activity, but that's just conjecture on my part.

So poster, here's a question, what is the current angle of precession with respect to the sun? Is the Earth tilted farther in towards the sun, out away from it, or is the current effect precession tending more to leading the Earth in orbit or following it? That would make a huge difference on even as small a number as you are looking at.
 
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