The Effective Lagrangian of the Electromagnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around the effective Lagrangian of the electromagnetic field, specifically its formulation in Gaussian units and the underlying principles that lead to its derivation. Participants explore the definitions and implications of the Lagrangian density in the context of electromagnetic theory.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the effective Lagrangian of the electromagnetic field as L=(1/8pi) (E^2-B^2) and questions how to calculate this relation.
  • Another participant challenges the term 'effective', asserting that the expression is the normal Lagrangian density of the electromagnetic field without gauge fixing.
  • A later reply acknowledges the misunderstanding regarding the term 'effective' and seeks clarification on how to derive the Lagrangian.
  • One participant explains that the Lagrangian arises from an analysis of the unitary representations of the Poincare group, emphasizing its uniqueness for a free massless vector field with specific properties, and notes its realization in terms of an Abelian gauge theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology used to describe the Lagrangian, with some agreeing that the term 'effective' may not be appropriate. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of this terminology and the derivation process.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of 'effective' and 'normal' Lagrangian densities, as well as the implications of gauge fixing in this context.

r.sahebi
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hi to everyone

L=T-V
as you know it is the lagrangian equation
the effective Lagrangian of the electromagnetic field is given by following relation in gaussian units.
L=(1/8pi) (E^2-B^2)
how is must calculate this relation?

(the energy density of electromagnetic fields is given by u=(1/8pi) (E^2+B^2) )
 
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I don't know why you'd call that 'effective', that is the normal lagrangian density of the e-m field (without gauge fixing, of course).
 
dextercioby said:
I don't know why you'd call that 'effective', that is the normal lagrangian density of the e-m field (without gauge fixing, of course).

yes, that's my wrong
can you tell me how i can have it?
 
This comes out from a careful analysis of the unitary representations of the Poincare group. This Lagrangian is the only one for a free massless vector field (written in its representation as a four-vector field) with only discrete intrinsic (helicity) degrees of freedom and admitting space-inversion symmetry (parity invariance). This can only be realized in terms of an Abelian gauge theory. For details, see

http://fias.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf

(Appendix B).
 
vanhees71 said:
This comes out from a careful analysis of the unitary representations of the Poincare group. This Lagrangian is the only one for a free massless vector field (written in its representation as a four-vector field) with only discrete intrinsic (helicity) degrees of freedom and admitting space-inversion symmetry (parity invariance). This can only be realized in terms of an Abelian gauge theory. For details, see

http://fias.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf

(Appendix B).

thanks a lot.
 

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