Validity of Scalar Field Lagrangian with Linear and Quadratic Terms

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the validity of a scalar field Lagrangian that includes both linear and quadratic terms, specifically examining the implications of adding a linear term to the standard Klein-Gordon Lagrangian. The scope includes theoretical considerations related to field theory and perturbation theory.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the Lagrangian $$\mathscr{L} = \phi \square \phi + c_1 \phi + c_2 \phi^2$$ due to the presence of a linear term.
  • Another participant argues that the linear term leads to energy not being bounded from below, which complicates the application of perturbation theory and suggests shifting the field to eliminate the linear term.
  • A different participant reiterates that the linear term shifts the minimum of the potential and alters the overall potential by a constant.
  • Another contribution states that if the quadratic term has the "right sign," the energy can still be bounded from below, indicating that the theory could be valid. They mention that shifting the field can revert to the usual free theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of including a linear term in the Lagrangian. While some highlight the issues it introduces, others suggest that it can be managed through field shifts, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the signs of coefficients in the Lagrangian and the implications of potential shifts, which are not fully resolved. There are also references to perturbation theory and energy conditions that depend on specific configurations of the field.

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Is a term proportional to ##\phi## valid in a scalar Lagrangian?
Hi, if I want to construct the most general Lagrangian of a single scalar field up to two fields and two derivatives, I usually see that is
$$\mathscr{L} = \phi \square \phi + c_2 \phi^2$$ i.e. the Klein-Gordon Lagrangian.
My question is, would be valid the Lagrangian
$$\mathscr{L} = \phi \square \phi + c_1 \phi + c_2 \phi^2$$
?
 
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With a linear term, the energy is not bounded from below. So this is usually not considered. This is a problem for applying perturbation theory, this indicates that one is expanding around a field configuration that cannot be used as a vacuum. So one then shifts ## \phi \rightarrow \phi - \frac{c_1}{2c_2} ## which gets rid of the linear term.
 
nrqed said:
With a linear term, the energy is not bounded from below.
A linear term shifts the location of the minimum of the potential and shifts the overall potential by a finite constant. (speaking loosely about potential densities as potentials)
 
With the linear term and the quadratic term the energy is still bounded from below provided ##c_2## has the "right sign". So it's a fine theory (as ##\phi^3## theory is not though it's treated at length in some textbooks to have a simple model to explain perturbative renormalization theory, e.g., in Collin's Renormalization; adding a ##\phi^4## term makes it again a theory with the Hamiltonian bounded from below).

For the free field here you can just introduce a new field shifted field as explained in #2, and you are back at the usual free theory.
 
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Ok! Thank you!
 

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