The fifth derivative of arctan(x)

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The discussion revolves around finding the fifth derivative of the function arctan(x) and calculating its fifth order Taylor series around x = 0. The problem involves differentiation and understanding Taylor series expansions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the challenges of differentiating arctan(x) multiple times, noting that the process becomes complex and prone to errors after the third derivative. Questions are raised about the existence of a non-obvious solution and hints are requested for simplifying the differentiation process.

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Some participants have suggested alternative methods, such as using the product rule instead of the quotient rule for differentiation. There is acknowledgment of the need to show work and a suggestion to express derivatives in a specific form to facilitate further differentiation.

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Participants emphasize the importance of showing work and the potential for mistakes in lengthy calculations. There is a mention of homework rules requiring some work to be shown, which may influence how participants approach the problem.

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Homework Statement


Show that the fifth derivative of arctan(x) equals (120x^4 - 240x^2 + 24)/((x^2 + 1)^5). Then, calculate the fifth order Taylor series of arctan(x) around x = 0.

Homework Equations


Differentiation rules; knowing how a Taylor series works.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried the brute-force way of differrentiating those fractions over and over and over again, resulting in one big mess. My answer ultimately turned out to be something different than what was asked, which isn't particularly surprising, considering the number of calculations I had to perform. I didn't even get to the Taylor series part.

My question is: is there a non-obvious solution to this problem that I'm missing? If so, could anyone give me a hint? I've been stuck on this problem for over an hour now and I'm not exactly fond of the idea of redoing all my previous calculations.
 
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KiwiKid said:

Homework Statement


Show that the fifth derivative of arctan(x) equals (120x^4 - 240x^2 + 24)/((x^2 + 1)^5). Then, calculate the fifth order Taylor series of arctan(x) around x = 0.

Homework Equations


Differentiation rules; knowing how a Taylor series works.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried the brute-force way of differrentiating those fractions over and over and over again, resulting in one big mess. My answer ultimately turned out to be something different than what was asked, which isn't particularly surprising, considering the number of calculations I had to perform. I didn't even get to the Taylor series part.

My question is: is there a non-obvious solution to this problem that I'm missing? If so, could anyone give me a hint? I've been stuck on this problem for over an hour now and I'm not exactly fond of the idea of redoing all my previous calculations.

You need to show at least some of your work.
 
Ray Vickson said:
You need to show at least some of your work.

f(x) = arctan(x); The first derivative: f'(x) = 1/(x^2 + 1); Second derivative: f''(x) = -2x/((x^2+1)^2). ...And so on. Except that it's around the third derivative that it starts to get more complicated, and it becomes virtually impossible to keep differentiating without making mistakes. At least, that's what I think, because 'my' fifth derivative of arctan(x) didn't match what I was supposed to get at all.
 
KiwiKid said:
f(x) = arctan(x); The first derivative: f'(x) = 1/(x^2 + 1); Second derivative: f''(x) = -2x/((x^2+1)^2). ...And so on. Except that it's around the third derivative that it starts to get more complicated, and it becomes virtually impossible to keep differentiating without making mistakes. At least, that's what I think, because 'my' fifth derivative of arctan(x) didn't match what I was supposed to get at all.
Writing those as:

f'(x) = (x^2 + 1)-1

and

f''(x) = -2x(x^2+1)-2

May help. You can then use the product rule rather than the quotient rule.
 
SammyS said:
Writing those as:

f'(x) = (x^2 + 1)-1

and

f''(x) = -2x(x^2+1)-2

May help. You can then use the product rule rather than the quotient rule.

Wow, thanks. That's probably it. :smile: *starts writing it all down once more*
 
KiwiKid said:
Wow, thanks. That's probably it. :smile: *starts writing it all down once more*

What will also help is to put the whole thing over a common denominator before differentiating again, so before taking the (k+1)th derivative, make sure you write the kth derivative in the form
\frac{P_k(x)}{(x^2+1)^k}, where P_k(x) is a polynomial.
 

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