The Hamiltonian vs. the energy function

In summary, the Lagrangian describes the mechanics of a system and can be used to find the Energy (Jacobi function) and the Hamiltonian of the system. However, the pre-Hamiltonian and the Hamiltonian have different expressions due to the use of different coordinate systems, as achieved through the Legendre transform. Therefore, while they may have the same value, \frac{dH}{dt} \neq \frac{\partial H}{\partial t} and \frac{dh}{dt} \neq \frac{\partial h}{\partial t}.
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Homework Statement



The mechanics of a system are described by the Lagrangian:
[tex] L = \frac{1}{2}\dot{x}^2 + \dot{x}t [/tex]

Homework Equations



(a) Write the Energy (Jacobi function) for the system.
(b) Show that [tex] \frac{dh}{dt} \neq \frac{\partial h}{\partial t} [/tex]
(c) Write an expression for the Hamiltonian of the system.
(d) Recall that [tex] \frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{\partial H}{\partial t} [/tex] allways.
explain why[tex] \frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{\partial H}{\partial t}, \frac{dh}{dt} \neq \frac{\partial h}{\partial t} [/tex] , even though H and h are equal in value.


The Attempt at a Solution



a. [tex] \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}} = \dot{x} + t [/tex]
and we get
[tex] h = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}}\dot{x} - L = \frac{1}{2}\dot{x}^2 [/tex]

b. [tex] \frac{\partial h}{\partial t} = 0, \frac{dh}{dt} \dot{x}\ddot{x} [/tex]

c. This is what I don't understand..
They both have the same expression... what is the difference between the two sections..
 
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Ah, but they don't have the same expression. The Hamiltonian ([itex]H[/itex]) is written in terms of the [itex]q[/itex]'s and [itex]p[/itex]'s, while the pre-Hamiltonian ([itex]h[/itex]) is written in terms of [itex]q[/itex]'s and [itex]\dot{q}[/itex]'s. Because of that little change, there is a difference.

In this case,

[tex]
h(x,\dot{x},t)=\frac{1}{2}\dot{x}^2
[/tex]

while

[tex]
H(x,p_x,t)=\frac{1}{2}\left(p_x-t\right)^2
[/tex]

where we used the Legendre transform (part a) to get the momentum (recall [itex]p_q=\partial L/\partial\dot{q}[/itex]).
 
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Thank you for clarifying this.
Could you elaborate more about what you meant with the legendere transform?
 
  • #4
Sure. The Legendre transform is a mathematical operation that transforms one set of coordinates into another set. In the case of Hamiltonian mechanics, you are turning velocity coordinates ([itex]\dot{q}[/itex]) into momentum coordinates ([itex]p[/itex]):

[tex]
p_q=\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{q}}
[/itex]
 
  • #5
Thanks :smile:
 

1. What is the difference between the Hamiltonian and the energy function?

The Hamiltonian and the energy function are both mathematical expressions used to describe the dynamics of a physical system. The main difference between them is that the Hamiltonian is used in classical mechanics while the energy function is used in other areas of physics, such as quantum mechanics. Additionally, the Hamiltonian takes into account both the kinetic and potential energy of a system, while the energy function only considers the potential energy.

2. How are the Hamiltonian and the energy function related?

The Hamiltonian and the energy function are related through the Hamiltonian equations, which describe the evolution of a system over time. The Hamiltonian equations are derived from the energy function and involve the partial derivatives of the energy function with respect to the position and momentum variables of the system.

3. Can the Hamiltonian be used to calculate the energy of a system?

Yes, the Hamiltonian can be used to calculate the total energy of a system. This is because the Hamiltonian includes both the kinetic and potential energy of a system, making it a comprehensive measure of the system's energy.

4. How does the Hamiltonian differ from the Hamiltonian operator in quantum mechanics?

The Hamiltonian in classical mechanics is a function that represents the total energy of a system, while the Hamiltonian operator in quantum mechanics is an operator that represents the total energy of a quantum system. Additionally, the Hamiltonian operator is used to calculate the time evolution of a quantum system, while the Hamiltonian in classical mechanics describes the dynamics of a system at a specific point in time.

5. Are there any real-world applications of the Hamiltonian and the energy function?

Yes, the Hamiltonian and the energy function have many practical applications in various fields of physics, such as mechanics, electromagnetism, and quantum mechanics. They are used to model and analyze the behavior of physical systems, such as particles in a magnetic field or atoms in a molecule.

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