The inequality which implies f(x) > 0 - Spivak's Calculus

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The discussion revolves around a specific inequality presented in Spivak's Calculus, particularly concerning the implications of the inequality |f(x) - f(a)| < f(a) for establishing that f(x) > 0. Participants explore the logical steps required to validate this implication under different conditions of f(x) relative to f(a).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether assuming f(x) - f(a) < 0 is sufficient to conclude f(x) > 0.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of proving the result for both cases of the sign of f(x) - f(a) to establish the inequality fully.
  • A participant presents a logical sequence showing that if f(x) - f(a) > 0, then f(x) > f(a), and connects this to the assumption that f(a) > 0 to conclude f(x) > 0.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their reasoning while attempting to summarize the implications of the inequalities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to consider both cases of the sign of f(x) - f(a) to validate the conclusion, but there is no consensus on the sufficiency of the arguments presented, as some participants express uncertainty about their reasoning.

Contextual Notes

The discussion relies on the assumption that f(a) > 0, which is a critical part of the theorem being referenced. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the completeness of the proofs for both cases of the inequality.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying calculus, particularly those interested in understanding the implications of inequalities in mathematical proofs.

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Hello,

if you guys would turn to page 117 in Spivak's Calculus, there is the proof for theorem 3. At the last line he stated that this last inequality ##|f(x)-f(a)|<f(a)## implies ##f(x)>0##. How can you check this fact?

Can we assume first that ##f(x)-f(a)<0## to eliminate the absolute value, which leads to the inequality ##f(x)>0##?

On the second case if ##f(x)-f(a)>0##, we have ##2f(a)-f(x)>0##, how can we infer that ##f(x)>0##

Is it sufficient to show that ##f(x)>0## with the first case? (Logically this means ##(f(x)>0)\wedge (f(x)<2f(a))##

Thank You
 
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You have to prove the result for both cases of the sign of ##f(x) - f(a)##. If you only prove it when the quantity is negative, then you haven't proved the result. You've only proved it when it is negative.

Fortunately, the other case isn't too hard. I can't figure out how to give a proper hint for this question so I'll just tell you the answer. If ##f(x) - f(a) \ge 0## then ##f(x) \ge f(a)##. But an assumption at the beginning of the theorem was that ##f(a) > 0##, so you're done.
 
First attempt:

From ##f(x)-f(a)>0## we have ##f(x)>f(a)##
From ##f(x)-f(a)<f(a)## we have ##f(x)<2f(a)##

so ##f(a)<f(x)<2f(a)##

but ##f(a)<2f(a)\iff f(a)>0\implies f(x)>f(a)>0\implies f(x)>0##

Hope this is helpful (and correct xD)

[Edit]: I don't have the book
 
Ok thanks you all, I understand it now!
 

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