The Laplacian of the potential q*exp(-r)/r

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the charge distribution ρ by applying the Laplacian operator to the potential Θ, specifically the function q*exp(-αr)/r. The participants explore the implications of differentiability issues at r=0 and the appropriate coordinate systems for the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about applying the Laplacian operator due to the potential's non-differentiability as r approaches 0.
  • Another participant suggests expanding the Laplacian of the product of two functions, f = exp(-αr) and g = 1/r, and substituting these into the expression.
  • A different participant emphasizes the need to consider the behavior of Δ(1/r) specifically at the origin and advises against using spherical coordinates due to singularities at r=0.
  • One participant shares their experience of using electrostatics knowledge to derive Δ(1/r) while employing spherical coordinates for other terms, questioning the validity of this approach.
  • Another participant argues that while using spherical coordinates is not inherently wrong, the singularities can complicate the expression of the delta function at the origin.
  • A later reply clarifies that the three-dimensional delta function can be expressed in both Cartesian and spherical coordinates, but acknowledges a potential deviation from the original problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to take regarding the use of spherical coordinates and the implications of singularities at the origin. Multiple competing views remain on how to handle the Laplacian of the potential.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in applying the Laplacian operator and the dependence on the choice of coordinate systems, particularly regarding singularities.

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Hello, I have a problem where I'm supposed to calculate the charge distribution ρ. I need to calculate it by applying the Laplacian operator to the potential Θ. The potential is the function: q*exp(-αr)/r
I found on the internet that for this type of potentials I cannot just apply the Laplacian operator because the function is not differentiable as r approaches to 0. So I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with this.
 
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You have a potential that is the product of two functions, ##f = \exp(-\alpha r)## and ##g = \frac{1}{r}##, and you need to calculate ##\nabla^2 f g##. I would expand ##\nabla^2 f g##, then plug in your specific ##f## and ##g##.
 
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Also carefully think about what ##\Delta(1/r)## is (of course, there's only a problem at the origin ##r=0##). Also note that to answer this question, you should be very careful and NOT use spherical but Cartesian coordinates in your calculations since spherical coordinates are singular along the polar axis including the origin ##r=0##!
 
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vanhees71,

When I solved this, I used knowledge of electrostatics to know what ##\nabla^2 \frac{1}{r}## is, but used spherical coordinates for the remaining terms and it certainly yielded what I was expecting (this is the potential of a point charge in a hot plasma so we know the equation it should satisfy). The other terms include
$$\left( \nabla \frac{1}{r}\right) \cdot \nabla e^{-\alpha r}$$
and
$$ \nabla^2 e^{-\alpha r}$$
What is wrong with using spherical coordinates for those?
 
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There's nothin a priori wrong. If you are lucky the coordinate singularities of spherical coordinates don't do any harm, but you can't express
$$\Delta \frac{1}{r}=-4 \pi \delta^{(3)}(\vec{x})$$
in terms of spherical coordinates, because there the coordinate singularities hit with maximal impact ;-)). I've seen this done wrong in otherwise respectable textbooks!
 
Well, the three dimensional delta function at the origin can certainly be expressed in Cartesian or spherical coordinates. Using your notation (assuming I understand it correctly), I get,
$$\delta^{(3)}(\overrightarrow{x}) = \delta(x)\delta(y)\delta(z) = \frac{\delta(r)}{4\pi r^2}$$

Perhaps we are getting off-top from the OP...
 

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