The Limit Superior and Bounded Sequences

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The discussion revolves around a problem in real analysis concerning the properties of bounded sequences and the concept of limit superior. The original poster is tasked with demonstrating specific characteristics of a bounded sequence in relation to its limit superior.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the definition of limit superior and the bounded nature of the sequence. Questions arise regarding how to show that there are finitely many terms greater than a certain threshold and infinitely many terms below it. There is also discussion about the logical implications of assuming a finite number of terms below the threshold.

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The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying the original poster's understanding and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the sequence's boundedness and the limit superior, but no consensus has been reached on the specific proof steps.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of limit superior and bounded sequences, with an emphasis on the implications of these definitions in proving the required statements. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider the definitions carefully to avoid contradictions.

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Homework Statement



\{x_{n}\}\in\mathbb{R^{+}} is a bounded sequence and r=\lim\sup_{n\rightarrow\infty}x_{n}. Show that \forall\epsilon>0,\exists finitely many x_{n}>r+\epsilon and infinitely many x_{n}<r+\epsilon.

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By definition of limit superior, r\in\mathbb{R} is such that \forall\epsilon>0, \exists N_{\epsilon} s.t. x_{n}<r+\epsilon, \forall n>N_{\epsilon}. This would imply that any x>r+\epsilon/is an upper bound on \{x_{n}\}. How do I show that there are finitely many such upper bounds? Is it because \{x_{n}\} is a bounded sequence that there must only be finite x_{n}>r+\epsilon ?
 
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How do I show that there are finitely many such upper bound

I'm not sure what you mean here, but what you've written basically answers the first part of the question. If for n>N_{\epsilon}, x_n<r+\epsilon, then there are at most N_{\epsilon} values of xn which are larger than r+\epsilon
 
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I'm not sure what you mean here, but what you've written basically answers the first part of the question. If for n>N_{\epsilon}, x_n<r+\epsilon, then there are at most N_{\epsilon} values of xn which are larger than r+\epsilon

I meant that "there are finitely many such x\in(x_{n})". How do I get started proving that there are infinitely many x\in(x_{n}) s.t. x<r+\epsilon?
 
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How do I get started proving that there are infinitely many x\in(x_{n}) s.t. x<r+\epsilon?

Suppose there were only finitely many x_n such that x_n < r + \epsilon. Would this in any way contradict the given facts? (Think about the definition of lim sup)
 

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