The Magnitde of Fc: Graphically

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The discussion revolves around determining the magnitude and angle of a force (FC) in a static equilibrium scenario where the sum of forces FA, FB, and FC equals zero. The magnitudes of forces FA and FB are given as 100 N and 80 N, respectively, with an angle between them specified.

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  • Participants discuss using graphical methods to visualize the forces and their relationships, including drawing a triangle of forces. There are mentions of calculating components in both x and y directions and applying the law of cosines and sines for finding magnitudes and angles.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using vector components and the laws of cosines and sines, while others express uncertainty about their current approach and whether they are on the right track. Multiple methods for solving the problem are being explored without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for solving the problem. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the sum of the forces in both the horizontal and vertical directions equals zero.

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1. The sum of the forces FA + FB + FC = 0. The magnitudes of lFAl = 100 N and lFBl = 80N. Graphically determine the magnitude lFCl and the angle α
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3. The attempts at the solution are as follows:

FBx = 80N cos 30° = 69.3 N
FBy = 80N sin 30° = 40.0 N
FAx = 100N cos 0° = 100 N
FAy = 100N sin 0° = 0N

After this, I can't figure out what to do, or if I am even on the right track.
 

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Sum of components of vectors in x and y direction must be zero. You can also find magnitude and angle using law of cosines
 
szynkasz said:
Sum of components of vectors in x and y direction must be zero. You can also find magnitude and angle using law of cosines

Is that something that one could do? Using the laws of cosines and sines, for situations like this?

And thank you!
 
FA + FB + FC = 0.

In components form,
FAx + FBx + FCx = 0. ...(1)
and
FAy + FBy + FCy = 0 ...(2)

Now subtitute the values in equation 1 and 2.
 
Mosaness said:
1. The sum of the forces FA + FB + FC = 0. The magnitudes of lFAl = 100 N and lFBl = 80N. Graphically determine the magnitude lFCl and the angle α



2. See Attachment



3. The attempts at the solution are as follows:

FBx = 80N cos 30° = 69.3 N
FBy = 80N sin 30° = 40.0 N
FAx = 100N cos 0° = 100 N
FAy = 100N sin 0° = 0N

After this, I can't figure out what to do, or if I am even on the right track.

Graphically you draw a triangle of forces, with side lengths proportional to the magnitude of the forces. One side of length corresponding to Fb (80 mm for example), the other (Fa) 100 mm and the angle between them 30°. Then measure the length of the third side with a ruler and measure the angle alpha with a compass.

If you want to calculate the length of the third force, the simplest way is the law of cosines: Fc2 =Fa2+Fb2-2FaFbcos(30°). And you get the angle alpha by the law of sines:sin(alpha)/sin(30)=Fb/Fc.

But you can calculate also with the horizontal and vertical components, as you started, using that the sum of both the horizontal (x) and vertical (y) components must be zero. (Fbx+Fax+Fcx=0, Fby+Fay+Fcy=0). For that calculation, you need to take care of the signs: Fbx is negative, Fbx=-69.3 N. When you get the components Fcx and Fcy, the magnitude of Fc is Fc=√(Fcx2+Fcy2)and the angle alpha = arctan(|Fcy/Fcx|)

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