The most efficient means of travel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the most efficient means of travel, comparing various modes including air travel, car travel, trains, boats, walking, and biking. Participants explore energy efficiency, energy consumption, and the factors influencing travel efficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests comparing energy captured from fuel for air, car, train, and boat travel, while expressing uncertainty about how to compare energy for walking and biking.
  • Another participant emphasizes that efficiency depends on various factors such as distance, number of passengers, and the specific route taken.
  • A participant proposes that traveling downstream in a boat could be the most efficient due to the ability to float along.
  • Some participants argue that bicycles have the least resistance and therefore the best energy transference, suggesting they are the most efficient mode of travel.
  • There are questions raised about the efficiency of bicycles compared to hovercrafts and other specialized vehicles like catamarans and ekranoplans.
  • One participant humorously suggests that sleeping could be the most efficient means of travel, as it allows for travel in dreams.
  • Discussion includes the efficiency of trains, with some participants noting their ability to transport many people over long distances cheaply, while others focus on energy usage rather than cost.
  • There are mentions of future travel technologies, including electric airplanes and hydrogen-powered vehicles, with differing opinions on their potential efficiency.
  • Some participants reference high-speed trains in Europe and Japan, noting their low power usage relative to other transportation modes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the most efficient means of travel, with no consensus reached. Some argue for bicycles, while others advocate for trains or boats, and there are humorous suggestions as well. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining efficiency in travel, with various assumptions about energy sources, travel conditions, and the definitions of efficiency itself. Participants do not fully resolve the comparisons between different modes of travel.

  • #31
Andy said:
You tell me thumper.

I think a train would be the most efficient, due to the fact that it can transport many people over long distances quite cheaply.
Well then, you do the calculations of how many people, over how far, and how efficiently it accomplishes that task, of moving MANY people, but I seen to recall that the efficiency of travel that was questioned for, wasn't specific in it's search for quantity of persons travelling, just efficiency of the travellers mode of travel, 'a La Mode' if you wish :shy:

As for "Thumper" just remove the t and it is a little more approriate :smile: :smile: :smile: :eek: :biggrin: :wink: :wink:
 
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  • #32
Pengwuino said:
I'll deal with you later gale


ya, right...

and am i the only one who can't believe huckleberry mentioned BT? i think we've heard enough about the efficiency of bicycles to last a life time...
 
  • #33
Gale said:
ya, right...

and am i the only one who can't believe huckleberry mentioned BT? i think we've heard enough about the efficiency of bicycles to last a life time...

Except maybe the idea that Walking is the most efficient means of travel, sans Machine.
 
  • #34
I should have noted that I wanted to determine per person statistics. For example, if you found out how much energy it took to fly an A380, you'd divide by how many people it can actually hold.

I'm also skeptical about walking. Everyone cna bike far more then they can walk so it makes me think that biking is more efficient. I also remember someone saying we can produce 100W of mechanical energy which means people probably need to be fed 150W-200W to keep up and keep all your organs worken.
 
  • #35
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Pengwuino said:
I should have noted that I wanted to determine per person statistics. For example, if you found out how much energy it took to fly an A380, you'd divide by how many people it can actually hold.
So then a Ship at sea would be most efficient, preferably a Sailing ship.
Pengwuino said:
I'm also skeptical about walking. Everyone cna bike far more then they can walk so it makes me think that biking is more efficient. I also remember someone saying we can produce 100W of mechanical energy which means people probably need to be fed 150W-200W to keep up and keep all your organs worken.
Should I be sorry for putting it in French? the "Sans Machine" thing, as apparently you didn't know that 'Sans' means "Without", as in NO {without} Machine-mechanized assitance.

That was 'why' = walking.
 

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