The necessity of a reflexive relation

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of explicitly stating the reflexive relation in the context of equivalence relations and other types of relations such as partial orderings. Participants explore the implications of reflexivity in mathematical relations and its significance in formal definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of making the reflexive relation explicit when discussing equivalence relations.
  • Another participant explains that reflexivity is not universally true and must be specified, using the "less than" relation as an example where reflexivity does not hold.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of stating the reflexive property explicitly, noting that not all useful relations are reflexive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of specifying reflexivity in certain contexts, but there is an underlying discussion about the conditions under which reflexivity holds and its relevance to different types of relations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the distinction between reflexive and non-reflexive relations, but does not resolve the broader implications of these distinctions in various mathematical contexts.

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Gentlemen: I was wondering about equivalence, reflexive, transitive and symmetric relations, and I realized the importance of the transitive and symmetric ones, but it was not so intuitive for me to make explicit the reflexive relation... can someone explain why it is necessary to make explicit this relation when considering equivalence?
Sorry for my poor english and thanks in advance.
 
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There are a number of reasons; the most obvious is that reflexivity is not always true, and so you have to specify when it is.

Relations in general were developed in order to rigorously abstract away from certain common, well behaved relationship (e.g. equality, less than or equal to, etc.). When you do that, you immediately run into the fact that the kinds of relations that are most interesting (equivalence relations and partial orderings, say) have the property that any element is related to itself. This is not true in general; for instance, take the "less than" relation defined on the reals; it is not true that x < x (for any x). When it's true (as in the case of an equivalence relation), you specify that it's true. When it's not, you don't.
 
Ok, mister number nine, I understood. Thank you.
 
There is a need to state the reflexive property explicity since not all useful relations are reflexive - for example, the relation "<". We wouldn't want people assuming that 3 < 3.
 
Ok, mr. Stephen, thank you!
 

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