The Obesity Epidemic: What Can Be Done to Stop It?

[Klockan3]

From a biochemistry point of view, the basic CHO unit is a monosaccharide. Simplest forms of sugars in existence.

Complex carbohydrates are built from covalent bonds between sugar molecules. usually called polysaccharides. Wide used examples are starches and glycogenReally, man , do audit a university course if you are interested in this subject.

I know that, sugar are carbohydrates but that doesn't mean that carbohydrates is sugar. You learn that in mid school, with daily speech you just refer to mono- and disaccharide when you mention sugar. Really, take an English class. Technically you could mean all saccharides but usually you don't. Gee studying nutrition must have made you into an idiot...

I get most of my calories from carbohydrates. I think the reason some people think eating carbohydrates doesn't stop you from feeling hungry is simply because they are not used to eating the large volumes of carbohydrates you would need to eat in order to get the same amount of calories they are used to get from fat.Today I had 1 kg of potatoes and 400 grams of bread. Of course, I ate that with meat , vegetables etc. etc. Most people don't eat such quantitites of food. Potatoes are eaten with some high fat sauce. If you were to serve them the same potato and bread dishes they usually eat and leave out all the fat, they won't be able to eat more than they are used to. Their stomachs are simply too small. What will happen is that after dinner they'll start to feel hungry and they will then want to eat some cake or some other compact high calorie food.

Potatoes don't contain any "sugar" and bread at most got small amounts of it. They contains mostly starch which is a polysaccharide, hence not sugar. They are made by combining a lot of sugar molecules, but they are no longer sugar after that, calling them sugars is like calling sugar alcohol. It is technically correct but it is still extremely wrong. Like, if someone says "Alcohol is bad for you" they don't mean that you should stop eating potatoes.
Edit: Sorry for my harsh tone, posted this 4 o clock in the morning right before I went to bed...

 

[Proton Soup]

notice what is meant here by "high protein". also, this differs from some recent pop media stories about exercise not helping with weight loss in that the study participants are not eating ad lib. when you exercise, control calories, and make some sensible dietary adjustments to retain muscle mass, you get better results.

Diabetes Care. 2010 Feb 11. [Epub ahead of print]
A High Protein Diet With Resistance Exercise Training Improves Weight Loss And Body Composition In Overweight And Obese Patients With Type 2 Diabetes.

Wycherley TP, Noakes M, Clifton PM, Cleanthous X, Keogh JB, Brinkworth GD.

Preventative Health Flagship, Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation - Food and Nutritional Sciences, Adelaide, Australia.

Aim: Evaluate the effects of two low fat hypocaloric diets differing in carbohydrate:protein ratio, with and without resistance training (RT), on weight loss, body composition and cardiovascular disease (CVD) risk outcomes in overweight/obese patients with type 2 diabetes (T2D). Methods: 83 men/women with T2D (age:56.1+/-7.5yrs, BMI:35.4+/-4.6kg/m(2)) were randomly assigned to an isocaloric, energy restricted diet (females:6 MJ/day, males:7 MJ/day) of either standard carbohydrate (CON; carbohydrate:protein:fat, 53:19:26) or high protein (HP; 43:33:22), with or without supervised RT (3d/wk) for 16-wks. Body weight and composition, waist circumference (WC) and cardiometabolic risk markers were assessed. Results: 59 participants completed the study. There was a significant group effect (P</=0.04) for body weight, fat mass and WC with greatest reductions in HP+RT; weight (CON:-8.6+/-4.6kg, HP:-9.0+/-4.8kg, CON+RT:-10.5+/-5.1kg, HP+RT:-13.8+/-6.0kg), fat mass (CON:-6.4+/-3.4kg, HP:-6.7+/-4.0kg, CON+RT:-7.9+/-3.7kg, HP+RT:-11.1+/-3.7kg), WC (CON:-8.2+/-4.6cm, HP:-8.9+/-3.9cm, CON+RT:-11.3+/-4.6cm, HP+RT:-13.7+/-4.6cm). There was an overall reduction (P<0.001) in fat-free mass:-2.0+/-2.3kg, blood pressure:-15/8+/-10/6mmHg, glucose:-2.1+/-2.2 mmol/L, insulin:-4.7+/-5.4mU/L, HbA1c:-1.25+/-0.94%, triglycerides:-0.47+/-0.81mmol/L, total cholesterol:-0.67+/-0.69 mmol/L and LDL-cholesterol:-0.37+/-0.53 mmol/L, with no difference between groups (P>/=0.17). Conclusion: An energy restricted HP diet combined with RT achieved greater weight loss and more favourable changes in body composition. All treatments had similar improvements in glycemic control and CVD risk markers.

 

[DanP]

. Technically you could mean all saccharides but usually you don't. Gee studying nutrition must have made you into an idiot...

Technically, you do mean that :P They are saccharides. Sorry, I can't change chemistry to accommodate your wish not to call them saccharides.

The main 3 sugars which are usable by humans for energy production are galactose, glucose and fructose. Probably what you mean as "sugar" is sucrose, which is actually a combination of fructose and glucose. The milk sugar lactose is a combination of glucose and galactose.

Starch and glycogen are glucose polymers nothing else.

No other carbohydrates can be used as a energy source in humans.

Appetite regulation works very well with CHO. (Yes, even with what you term as "sugars". )
It is false to indicate that only fats will trigger appetite regulation.

 

[MotoH]

If you work out you do not get fat.

Can I have my Nobel prize now?

 

[mgb_phys]

If you work out you do not get fat.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3902542

 

[Proton Soup]

It is false to indicate that only fats will trigger appetite regulation.

correct. a lack of protein can also cause overeating of low-protein sources to compensate for the deficiency (protein leverage).

 

[MotoH]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3902542

Sumo wrestlers are not fat. They are big boned.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

Maybe I've been going about this all wrong. Here's a woman who has found a way to shed all those negative feelings associated with obesity. Now when she sees a donut, she just goes for it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35549378/"

 

[Proton Soup]

Maybe I've been going about this all wrong. Here's a woman who has found a way to shed all those negative feelings associated with obesity. Now when she sees a donut, she just goes for it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35549378/"

but if she lost weight, she'd not only be a smaller target, but could run faster.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

but if she lost weight, she'd not only be a smaller target, but could run faster.

This morning I hit bmi 27. I'm still in the lead, but the competition is close behind. I don't know if I can win the prize. Still, I intend to keep on losing weight.

 

[Count Iblis]

Does vitamin D help you to lose weight? Since I'm talking 2400 IU daily dose of vitamin D 5 weeks ago, I lost about 0.5 kg weight. I used to weigh about 62 kg and that weight was very constant for two year. Since two weeks or so, I've noticed a systematic lower weight and also some improvement in stamina. After the usual 25 minutes of fast running I'm no longer thinking "end of exercise" and I can go on for ten more minutes. I have to restrain myself a bit, to prevent overtraining.

 

[Proton Soup]

Does vitamin D help you to lose weight? Since I'm talking 2400 IU daily dose of vitamin D 5 weeks ago, I lost about 0.5 kg weight. I used to weigh about 62 kg and that weight was very constant for two year. Since two weeks or so, I've noticed a systematic lower weight and also some improvement in stamina. After the usual 25 minutes of fast running I'm no longer thinking "end of exercise" and I can go on for ten more minutes. I have to restrain myself a bit, to prevent overtraining.

news to me, but maybe so

http://www1.umn.edu/news/features/2009/UR_CONTENT_165066.html

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

This morning I reached BMI 26. I'm still overweight, but I have only one more BMI to go to reach 25 and the normal range. However I have a slight build so even at BMI 25 I will still carry a large belly.

 

[DanP]

I have only one more BMI to go to reach 25 and the normal range. However I have a slight build so even at BMI 25 I will still carry a large belly.

Congratulation man. Do strength training, you need to build significant muscle mass if you are still having a large WHR ratio at a normal BMI.

The human body is quite plastic. You can get the body you want, with determination, consistence and mild effort.

 

[Proton Soup]

Congratulation man. Do strength training, you need to build significant muscle mass if you are still having a large WHR ratio at a normal BMI.

The human body is quite plastic. You can get the body you want, with determination, consistence and mild effort.

seconded. the way to avoid skinny/fat syndrome is to do resistance training while cutting calories to maintain more muscle mass. also, the percentage of calories from protein should be increased as was done in that diabetic weight loss article i posted the abstract of.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

Today my bmi dropped to 25. According to this statistic, I am no longer overweight. I went down from a bmi of bmi 30.7, officially obese, back in December. However, I still have a considerable belly that I want to flatten. I am small boned and of slight build. I carry my extra weight in my belly and thighs. I was a skinny kid. When I graduated high school I weighed 31 lbs less than I do now, a bmi of 20. I don't intend to go that low, but I think that bmi 22.5, in the middle of the normal range is not unreasonable. I need to lose 16 more lbs. to do that.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

Today I hit bmi 24. The contest ends on the 27th. I am way ahead of second place and unless I gain weight (I am still losing) I will win.

 

[lisab]

Today I hit bmi 24. The contest ends on the 27th. I am way ahead of second place and unless I gain weight (I am still losing) I will win.

Yay!

Just the other day, I was wondering how you were doing.

 

[Evo]

Today I hit bmi 24. The contest ends on the 27th. I am way ahead of second place and unless I gain weight (I am still losing) I will win.

Congrats! What do you win besides a hot body?

 

[dgtech]

Was it National Geographic that recently made the moronic statement obese people are actually GOOD for the environment as their bodies hold more CO2, and that helped against global warming.

It's not rocket science realizing the amount of carbon dioxide expelled in producing all the grain, all the meat, fat and dairy products for those people to turn obese is at least a 1000 times more than an obese man can store in his "body"

Such programs should not be allowed on TV...

 

[Agleh]

You know folks, it might help sometimes to actually fast. Fasting has sort of gone out of fashion these days, but it was common in earlier times, and is incorporated into many of the world's religions. Fasting for even 48 hours causes growth hormones to be released, which help to control inflammation, promotes muscle over fat deposition, and speeds up healing of damaged tissues. These effects also obtain to some extent when calories are restricted.

See: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060915202236.htm
http://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=fasting+and+growth+hormone&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4L5QKsrGlY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lah7_2car6E&feature=related

 

[dgtech]

There is a better way - eat more fiber, eat RAW foods, at least those that can be eaten raw, do not cook veggies, that destroys vitamins, drink a lot of water, don't eat white bread but whole grain, don't eat after 8 pm and exercise regularly

Meat is important, especially red meat, as it is the only source of Acetyl-L Carnitine which cannot be synthesized by the body and is one of the few good chemicals that is able to pass the blood-brain barrier plus it is a transport protein for long chain fats, which cannot pass the cell membrane by themselves and thus are very hard to burn.

 

[MissSilvy]

Blah, blah, blah, fancy pseudo-scientific 'fitness' advice, blah.

Eat less crap. Eat more veggies. Try to move around more. That's really it. I get ridiculously angry when people start to complicate the hell out of what should be a simple process. If you're a professional body builder, that's one thing, but the chubby chump who just walked out of GNC with hundreds of dollars worth of 'muscle fuel'? Bah!

 

[Proton Soup]

There is a better way - eat more fiber, eat RAW foods, at least those that can be eaten raw, do not cook veggies, that destroys vitamins, drink a lot of water, don't eat white bread but whole grain, don't eat after 8 pm and exercise regularly

Meat is important, especially red meat, as it is the only source of Acetyl-L Carnitine which cannot be synthesized by the body and is one of the few good chemicals that is able to pass the blood-brain barrier plus it is a transport protein for long chain fats, which cannot pass the cell membrane by themselves and thus are very hard to burn.

uh, yeah, everything you said is wrong. cooking can make nutrients more available and we synthesize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcarnitine" just fine.

 

[dgtech]

Cooking concentrates fats into longer chains which are harder to burn and temperature destroys vitamins. The link you posted actually supports most of the things I said and says nothing about synthesis in the human body.

If anything, it says "INGESTION" which means you eat it, not synthesize it

Humans can synthesize L-carnitine but can't acetylate it, that's what I've been taught at school and if if you have information suggesting otherwise, I'd be happy to fix that eventual educational mistake ;)

 

[Proton Soup]

Cooking concentrates fats into longer chains which are harder to burn and temperature destroys vitamins. The link you posted actually supports most of the things I said and says nothing about synthesis in the human body.

If anything, it says "INGESTION" which means you eat it, not synthesize it

Humans can synthesize L-carnitine but can't acetylate it, that's what I've been taught at school and if if you have information suggesting otherwise, I'd be happy to fix that eventual educational mistake ;)

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ALCAR is an acetylated derivative of L-carnitine. During strenuous exercise, a large portion of L-carnitine and unused acetyl-CoA are converted to ALCAR inside mitochondria by carnitine O-acetyltransferase.[1]

you might also want to look up the meaning of the word endogenous

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19720100

Adv Drug Deliv Rev. 2009 Nov 30;61(14):1332-42. Epub 2009 Aug 29.
Mitochondria in the elderly: Is acetylcarnitine a rejuvenator?

Rosca MG, Lemieux H, Hoppel CL.

Center for Mitochondrial Diseases and Department of Medicine, Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, USA.
Abstract

Endogenous acetylcarnitine is an indicator of acetyl-CoA synthesized by multiple metabolic pathways involving carbohydrates, amino acids, fatty acids, sterols, and ketone bodies, and utilized mainly by the tricarboxylic acid cycle. Acetylcarnitine supplementation has beneficial effects in elderly animals and humans, including restoration of mitochondrial content and function. These effects appear to be dose-dependent and occur even after short-term therapy. In order to set the stage for understanding the mechanism of action of acetylcarnitine, we review the metabolism and role of this compound. We suggest that acetylation of mitochondrial proteins leads to a specific increase in mitochondrial gene expression and mitochondrial protein synthesis. In the aged rat heart, this effect is translated to increased cytochrome b content, restoration of complex III activity, and oxidative phosphorylation, resulting in amelioration of the age-related mitochondrial defect.

PMID: 19720100 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

Congrats! What do you win besides a hot body?

$200. My birthday is on the 27th, the day of the final weigh-in. Every year, we celebrate my birthday and Memorial Day by going to Long Beach Island and have steamed lobsters. This year I expect they'll be extra sweet.

 

[Evo]

$200. My birthday is on the 27th, the day of the final weigh-in. Every year, we celebrate my birthday and Memorial Day by going to Long Beach Island and have steamed lobsters. This year I expect they'll be extra sweet.

Victory is sweet!

 

[Count Iblis]

Jimmy no longer qualifies for a free meal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill"

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

Jimmy no longer qualifies for a free meal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill"

I never did. I see that part of the marketing strategy is to induce the PC crowd to do their advertising for them. It seems to be working. Hooray for them, I say.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

I gained a few grams this morning in the form of twenty dollar bills.

 

[DanP]

Congratulations Jimmy.

 

[lisab]

Jimmy no longer qualifies for a free meal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Attack_Grill"

"Here" being the Heart Attack Grill. Their spokesman, a 575-pound, 29-year-old man, died Tuesday -- not of a heart attack, but of pneumonia.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41899470/ns/today-food/

Good grief, his BMI was 63.

This may be a silly question but is obesity a risk factor for pneumonia?

 

[DanP]

There is some evidence out there that obesity may impair immune function.

 

[nismaratwork]

"Here" being the Heart Attack Grill. Their spokesman, a 575-pound, 29-year-old man, died Tuesday -- not of a heart attack, but of pneumonia.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/41899470/ns/today-food/

Good grief, his BMI was 63.

This may be a silly question but is obesity a risk factor for pneumonia?

It is a risk factor for almost everything... and at that weight I'd assume sleep apnea of some severity... also a risk factor.


575... my g-d... and 63 BMI?... I find that sad.

I myself fell to precipitous weight gain, but am in the process of reversing that. I don't weigh anything like 575, I'm 6'2" with a broad frame... and I don't think I could WALK at that weight!

Surely that kind of eating and lack of activity is nothing if not passive suicide.