The possible lightest material

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the lower limit for the density of solid materials, particularly in relation to their potential to be lighter than air. Participants explore theoretical possibilities and examples, such as carbon nanotubes and aerogels, while questioning the physical laws governing density limits for solids.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant wonders if solid materials can be lighter than air, citing carbon nanotubes as an example that is significantly less dense than water.
  • Another participant suggests that while gases have no lower density limit, solids might theoretically achieve densities below that of air (approximately 1.2 kg/m³), potentially through structures like hard foams filled with helium.
  • Aerogels are mentioned as a notable example of very low-density solids, with links provided for further information.
  • There is a suggestion that advancements in material science could lead to the creation of even lighter materials for applications such as armor.
  • Questions are raised about the tensile strength of aerogels, particularly those with extremely low densities, indicating a need for more specific data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the possibility of solids being lighter than air, with some agreeing on the theoretical potential while others emphasize the limitations of current materials. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of density limits and the properties of aerogels.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific densities and properties of materials without reaching a consensus on the implications of these values. There are also limitations in the availability of information regarding the tensile strength of aerogels at lower densities.

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I wonder to know where the lower limit for solid substances’ density is. We know that some solid materials are lighter than liquids (ice, wax and etc), but can the solid material in principle be lighter than air? For example the density for Carbon nanotube is at least ten times less than water’s one (data taken from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength ). What Physic’s laws say about this? Is substance’s lower boundary for density somehow restricted? :smile:
 
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The point about a gas (say, air) is that a given amount of gas molecules will take up any volume you offer it. That means that there is no lower limit to the density of a gas. This cannot be beaten by any solid.

Or are you wondering whether any solid could in principle have a density of less than about 1.2 kg/m^3? (air density under standard circumstances is somewhere in that region). In that case the answer is "in principle most likely yes" (think of a hard foam filled with helium).
 
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Or are you wondering whether any solid could in principle have a density of less than about 1.2 kg/m^3?
Yes :smile:

Borek
Great! Almost as dense as air! Perhaps very soon the scientist will invent even lighter material that will enable us to make some armor that we will wear and fly in air :smile:
 
Eagle9 said:
Great! Almost as dense as air!

Quite the opposite - air is almost as dense as the lightest aerogel made up to now.
 
Eagle9 said:
Great! Almost as dense as air! Perhaps very soon the scientist will invent even lighter material that will enable us to make some armor that we will wear and fly in air :smile:

Hrmm. If only it could work like this... =)
 
Could you please tell me where is it possible to find information about Aerogel’s other properties? I need to know the value of tensile strength for this material but these web-sites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel#Silica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_strength
Do not provide such information :smile:

At this site:
http://eetd.lbl.gov/ecs/aerogels/sa-physical.html
It is written that tensile strength for Silica Aerogels is 16 kPa for the density of 0.1 g/cm^3, but what about the Aerogels with the lowest density- 1.9 mg/cm^3?
 
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