The propagator divergence in weak theory

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the W boson propagators in weak theory, particularly focusing on the implications of the propagator expression when the momentum transfer \( q \) is comparable to the mass of the W boson. Participants explore the mathematical intricacies and physical interpretations of divergences in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the implications of using the propagator expression when \( q^2 \) is approximately equal to \( m_W^2 \), expressing concern about potential divergences.
  • Another participant clarifies that the finite width of the W boson modifies the propagator to include a term related to the decay width \( \Gamma_W \), which helps avoid the divergence issue.
  • A further contribution explains that the decay width \( \Gamma_W \) is linked to the lifetime of the W boson, suggesting a physical basis for the modification of the propagator.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about renormalization, initially viewing it as a mathematical trick to avoid divergences, but later acknowledges the physical reasoning behind it.
  • Another participant notes that divergences can occur in different contexts, such as when stable particles emit soft or collinear massless particles, but emphasizes that this is not applicable to the W boson case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have differing views on the nature of divergences in the context of the W boson propagator. While some clarify the role of the decay width in addressing these divergences, others express uncertainty about the implications of renormalization and the mathematical treatment of the propagator.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which divergences occur and the specific implications of the decay width on the propagator's behavior. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the interpretation of renormalization in this context.

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So I am wondering about one thing. The charged propagators in weak theory are W+- bosons. The mathematical expression for them, while drawing the Feynman diagrams is:

-i\frac{g_{\mu\nu}-\frac{q_\mu q_\nu}{m_W^2}}{q^2-m_w^2}.

The problems that are usually given to me are simple and involve cases where either q^2>>m_w^2 or q^2<<m_w^2, so I can simplify the propagator and carry on with the calculation.

But what happens if the impulse transfer q is the same as the mass of the W boson?

Griffiths only says: "However, when a process involves energies that are comparable to M_wc^2 we must, of course, revert to the exact expression."

How does that help if they are the same? I'll still have a divergent expression!

Is this the point of renormalization? I just put, by hand, some small parameter down there and everything is fine? But that's kinda like cheating :\
 
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By divergence are you referring to the zero in the denominator when q^{2}\approxm_{w}^{2}? in those cases, the finite width of the W boson plays a role and the denominator of the propogator is q^{2}-m_{w}^{2}+im_{w} \Gamma_{w}, where \Gamma_{w} determines the width of the resonance.
 
\Gamma_{w} is the decay width of the W boson. It is related to the lifetime of the W boson,i.e., \Gamma_{w}\tau_{w}=1
 
Hmmm, so there is some real physics behind that. I thought that they just made the renormalization so that they would just avoid divergences, as a mathematical trick...

Thanks for the clarification :)
 
In some cases, the propogator really does diverge. It happens when a stable particle (and thus \Gamma=0) emit a very soft massless particle (E~0) or a colinear massless particle (if the particle is also massless). For example, an electron emiting a very soft photon or a colinear photon (if the electron mass in neglected). Then, it is needed to regularize the propogator, but this divergences always cancel when calculating observable quantities.

But all this is not needed in the W case.
 

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