The ratio of the gravitational force between electron and proton

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the ratio of the gravitational force between an electron and a proton to the electrostatic force, using the context of atomic models and the radius of the hydrogen atom.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the ratio by dividing the gravitational force formula by the electrostatic force formula but expresses difficulty in reaching the correct answer. Participants inquire about the masses used in the calculations and suggest potential corrections to the formula. There is also a question about how the ratio changes if the radius of the atom is doubled.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the formulas and questioning the relevance of the radius in the calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the formula's dependence on the radius, while others seem to reach a conclusion about the ratio.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of specific values for constants and the radius of the hydrogen atom, but the original poster indicates a struggle with the calculations and seeks further assistance.

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Homework Statement


Some of the earliest atomic models held that the orbital velocity of an electron in an atom could be correlated with the radius of the atom. If the radius of the hydrogen atom is 10^−10 m and the electrostatic force is responsible for the circular motion of the electron, what is the ratio of the gravitational force between electron and proton to the electrostatic force? How does this ratio change if the radius of the atom is doubled? Explain {Answer: Fg/Fe = 4.39 x 10-40}.


Homework Equations



fe = (1/4πε0)*(q^2/r^2)
fg = G m^2/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


The answer says Fg/Fe, so I divided fg/fe to get (Gm^2)/((9*10^9)q^2). I tried every different way possible but cannot manage to get the correct answer. Can anyone help me solve this problem, I've been stuck for a long time. I preferred you show me how to do it and how you got to the final answer.
 
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What are you using as the masses? One of them would be the mass of a proton; the other would be the mass of an electron.
 
Maybe my formula is wrong . Do you think this formula would be correct? G*me*mp/(9*10^9 n m^2/c^2)*q1*q2?
 
Oh never mind. I got the answer. How does the ratio change if radius if atom is doubled?
 
What do you think - does it look like the formula depends on the radius?
 
Since the radius isn't included in the formula. I'm assuming it doesn't matter?
 
Yep.
 

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