The Rewards of Discovery: Do Scientists Deserve More?

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The discussion revolves around the compensation and recognition of scientists, particularly in the context of corporate environments where their discoveries lead to profitable products, such as the case of the low tack adhesive developed by chemists at 3M that became Post-it notes. Participants explore whether scientists receive fair compensation for their contributions and the implications of corporate funding and support in the innovation process.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that scientists should receive more recognition and compensation for their contributions, citing the significant profits generated by products like Post-it notes.
  • Others contend that scientists are employees who are compensated through salaries and that the risks taken by companies justify the distribution of profits, suggesting that the scientists had minimal risk involved.
  • A participant notes that while the scientists received awards and recognition from 3M, their financial compensation is likely small compared to the value generated for the company.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that some companies have policies to reward excellence and creativity, which could lead to better compensation for inventors.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about receiving a small financial reward for a project, indicating that compensation can vary widely based on the context and company policies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the fairness of compensation for scientists, with no consensus reached. Some believe that scientists deserve more, while others argue that their employment status and the corporate context limit their claims to additional rewards.

Contextual Notes

Discussions touch on the complexities of corporate funding, the role of teamwork in scientific discovery, and the variability of compensation practices across different companies, which remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to scientists, corporate employees, and individuals involved in innovation and product development, as well as those curious about the dynamics of compensation in research and development settings.

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Case: two chemists from 3M discovered a low tack adhesive, and made it into a product we now know as post-its.

Now imagine how many post-its are sold daily around the world.

Those two scientists never got any special treatment besides their scientist salary.

Does this bother you at all?

Do you think scientists are getting their fair share of the pie? Should they just be content to have built a better world, while the employers-owners reap most of the profits? Just looking for thoughts.
 
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Dr Lots-o'watts said:
Does this bother you at all?
No.

Do you think those guys came up with the idea in a vacuum of creativity, alone, with their own equipment, materials, computers, assistants, their own manufacturing, marketing, testing, and a million other things that a world-class company needs to make world-class products?

For those who think all the glory should go to the one creative, y'all are welcome to go into the entrepreneur business and see how that works for you.Consider: they're employees. The other 364 days of the year they didn't invent anything they still got a paycheque.

:biggrin:
 
Dr Lots-o'watts said:
Case: two chemists from 3M discovered a low tack adhesive, and made it into a product we now know as post-its.

Now imagine how many post-its are sold daily around the world.

Those two scientists never got any special treatment besides their scientist salary.

Does this bother you at all?

Do you think scientists are getting their fair share of the pie? Should they just be content to have built a better world, while the employers-owners reap most of the profits? Just looking for thoughts.

In 1980 and 1981, the Post-it note team received 3M's Golden Step Award, given to teams who create major new products that are significantly profitable. 3M named Fry a corporate researcher in 1986. He is also a member of 3M's Carlton Society and Circle of Technical Excellence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Fry

I think they did benefit from it, but I don't think their compensation is discussed publicly.

They are considered heros at 3M - http://www.post-it.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Post_It/Global/About/History/

I do know some corporate scientists and engineers who do get award and bonuses for inventions. I suspect that the compensation is relatively small compared to the value to the company. In most cases however, the inventors use substantial corporate resources that enable them to invent.
 
3M funded the product development and marketing. That risk is primarily what justifies the benefits. The scientists involved had nothing at risk so they deserve minimal rewards.
 
Machiavelli advised that a wise prince should take care of those who enrich his kingdom.
I suspect the guys got , as somebody suggested, a small bonus and some recognition.
Most folks in my circles would be happy with the "atta-boys" from their peers.
But, as we always said, "Atto is a prefix meaning 10^-18. That's why one 'Aww - Shucks ' wipes out all your attoboys. "

old jim
 
Some companies have the policy to reward excellence openly and abundantly, encouraging other employees to be excellently creative too.
 
Andre said:
Some companies have the policy to reward excellence openly and abundantly, encouraging other employees to be excellently creative too.

Who, and how much compensation?
 
Oh, I got a couple of grands for developing a selection decision support system for student pilots, just as hobby.
 

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