The sign of the change in potential

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric potential and potential difference in the context of electric fields. The original poster reflects on their understanding of how electric potential changes when moving along electric field lines, particularly in relation to points A and B, where point B is at zero electric potential.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between electric potential and electric field strength, questioning how to determine values for points A and B. There is also a discussion about the sign of the potential difference and the correct interpretation of the terms used in the context of electric potential.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the potential difference and the importance of consistent terminology. There is an ongoing examination of the original poster's assumptions and the clarity of their questions, particularly regarding the terms used to describe electric field strength.

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There is ambiguity in the original poster's use of terms, particularly regarding "electric strength," which some participants suggest may refer to electric field strength. The discussion also highlights the potential confusion arising from the interpretation of potential difference and the notation used for points A and B.

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If there is a infinitely large plane, and it is in electrostatic equilibrium. It is positively charged. We set the point B on it to have electric potential of 0. We have a point A on x-axis, which is perpendicular to the plane. (A)x=-x. What is the electric potential there? Assuming plane has electric potential to be 0.
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Va-Vb=integral from a to b E dl
My physics teacher discussed this in my university intro physics class. So I know that moving along the electric field lines would mean decreasing in electric potential. And since the electric filed lines are pointing outward from the surface, and the B point on the surface is of zero electric potential. That means the electric potential of A is negative.

So I substitute into the equation.

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My Question is :
a) Is the result correct?
b) how do we determine the value for a and b? does a and b increase in the same direction as the electric strenght while starting from the point where electric potential is zero?
 
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rickyw2777 said:
b) how do we determine the value for a and b? does a and b increase in the same direction as the electric strenght while starting from the point where electric potential is zero?
It's a line integral. a ##a## is where you start and b##b## is where you end up. Figure that out and substitute. Then you will know if the answer in (a) is correct.
 
So the potential difference from A to B is negative right?
 
rickyw2777 said:
So the potential difference from A to B is negative right?
Do you mean ##V_B−V_A~## or ##~V_A-V_B##?
 
Va-Vb
 
The result ## -2k\pi\sigma x ## is a correct result, but the method in the original post is not correct. ## 2k\pi\sigma\int_{a}^{b}\vec{dl} ## is a vector, but it should be a scalar.
The question b) is not clear. What does the original poster mean by the electric strength?
 
Gavran said:
What does the original poster mean by the electric strength?
Presumably its the electric field ##\vec{E}=-\nabla V##, whose magnitude is sometimes referred to as electric field strength.
 
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rickyw2777 said:
So the potential difference from A to B is negative right?
rickyw2777 said:
Va-Vb
I would call the potentials ##V_A## and ##V_B## because a and b are not points (they are limit-values in an integral). Consistent use of symbols is important. Here we have ##V_B = 0## and ##V_A \lt 0##.

Use of language may be a bit of problem If we go from A to B, the potential changes from a negative value to zero. So the potential-change (the potential-difference) from A to B is positive (e.g. going from -4 volts to 0 is a change of +4 volts).

The expression ‘potential difference between points A and B’ is more common but is also a bit ambiguous; it would usually be interpreted as ##V_B – V_A## (rather than ##V_A - V_B##). With the usual convention, 'the potential difference between A and B is positive in this problem.

So care with language is needed to avoid confusion.

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