The sum of positive integers up to infinity: Was Sirinivasa right?

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The discussion centers on the sum of positive integers up to infinity, concluding that the limit of the series S_n = 1 + 2 + ... + n diverges to infinity as n approaches infinity. The conversation highlights the implications of allowing negative summands in series, particularly with alternating series such as Σ(-1)^(n+1)/n, which converges to log(2) but can yield different results upon rearrangement. The importance of Cauchy sequences in determining convergence is emphasized, along with a reminder to utilize LaTeX for mathematical expressions.

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What did you want to show? You could as well consider ##S_n=1+2+\ldots+n## and observe that ##S_{n+1}\geq S_{n}+1## for every ##n##, hence
$$
S:=\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}S_n}\geq \lim_{n \to \infty}(S_1 + n)=1+\lim_{n \to \infty}n = \infty .
$$

Things get interesting if you allow negative summands. In that case, re-orderings could result in different sums.
 
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Here is an interesting note on series with alternating signs:
$$
\sum_{n=1}^\infty \dfrac{(-1)^{n+1}}{n}=1-\dfrac{1}{2}+\dfrac{1}{3}-\dfrac{1}{4}\pm\ldots=\log 2
$$
which can be rearranged such that
$$
\sum_{n=1}^\infty \dfrac{(-1)^{n+1}}{n}=1-\dfrac{1}{2}+\dfrac{1}{3}-\dfrac{1}{4}\pm\ldots=\log \sqrt{2}
$$
(My notation here is sloppy since it doesn't show the rearrangement. It is only to emphasize that rearrangements aren't automatically allowed. The reference is precise at this point.)

Reference: https://www.physicsforums.com/insig...rom-zeno-to-quantum-theory/#Domains-of-Series
 
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Well, you have a sequence that is clearly not Cauchy; that itself should do it as proof that it doesn't converge.
 
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Great note dear It is clear that you have realized that the sum will reach infinity, and I place in your hands these papers for a new formula for this series.
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You can play with rearrangements of the natural numbers as often as you like, but this is nothing we could discuss here. Furthermore, please use ##\LaTeX## (https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/) instead of uploading pictures.

Your last sentence is nonsense and suggests an assessment as a personal speculation which we do not discuss here. It is the third shortest way to leave our community. The theory of cardinalities is not trivial and the term "wave" in your post is nonsense, particularly on a website dedicated to physics.

This thread is closed now.
 
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