The total area between 3sin(5x) and the x-axis

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total area between the function f(x) = 3sin(5x) and the x-axis over a specified interval from the origin to an x-intercept. Participants explore methods for integrating the function and accounting for areas below the x-axis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that integration can be used to find the area under the curve by calculating ∫3sin(5x)dx with limits from 0 to a, where a is an x-intercept.
  • Others argue that simply integrating may not yield the correct area due to portions of the curve being below the x-axis, necessitating adjustments to the integral, such as using negative values for those intervals.
  • A participant proposes that to accurately compute the area, one must consider the absolute value of the sine function, suggesting the integral ∫3|sin(5x)|dx and dividing the domain into segments where the function is positive or negative.
  • Another participant discusses the symmetry of the graph, noting that the area between positive and negative sections is equal and proposes a method to calculate the total area by multiplying the area of one segment by the number of segments in the given domain.
  • There is a query about the correctness of the proposed method involving the relationship between the number of peaks and the total area calculation.

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Participants express differing views on how to compute the total area, with no consensus on a single method. Some agree on the need to account for areas below the x-axis, while others propose different approaches to integration and area calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to divide the domain of integration at multiples of π/5, indicating that the approach may depend on the specific intervals chosen and the behavior of the sine function within those intervals.

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If you were given f(x) = 3sin(5x), would it be possible to express the total area between f(x) and the x-axis between the origin and any given intercept? Basically, could you form a general equation for the total area for f(x) where x∈[0,a] and a is an x-intercept.
 
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Saracen Rue said:
If you were given f(x) = 3sin(5x), would it be possible to express the total area between f(x) and the x-axis between the origin and any given intercept? Basically, could you form a general equation for the total area for f(x) where x∈[0,a] and a is an x-intercept.
Integration gives area under the curve. You'll get the area if you calculate ∫3sin(5x)dx with limits 0 to a.
 
Saracen Rue said:
If you were given f(x) = 3sin(5x), would it be possible to express the total area between f(x) and the x-axis between the origin and any given intercept? Basically, could you form a general equation for the total area for f(x) where x∈[0,a] and a is an x-intercept.
Yes, but to get the area, you need to account for parts of the curve that are below the x-axis. For example, on the interval ##[\pi/5, 2\pi/5]## the graph of this function is below the x-axis. On intervals such as this one, the integral gives a negative value. To to get the area between the curve and the x-axis, you would need an integral like this: ##\int_{\pi/5}^{2\pi/5}-3\sin(5x)dx##

cnh1995 said:
Integration gives area under the curve. You'll get the area if you calculate ∫3sin(5x)dx with limits 0 to a.
This won't necessarily give the area. For example, ##\int_0^{2\pi/5}3\sin(5x)dx## evaluates to 0, but the area between the curve and the x-axis is 12/5.
 
You need to compute [itex]\int 3|sin(5x)|dx[/itex], which means dividing the domain of integration into pieces where x is a multiple of [itex]\frac{\pi}{5}[/itex].

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I have done some thinking about this an I think I've figured out a way to do it.

The graph intersects the x-axis every n*pi/5 interval. (i.e. 0*pi/5 = 0, 1*pi/5 = pi/5, 2*pi/5, 3*pi/5, etc)
Due to symmetry in the graph, we also know the area between the positive and negative sections of the graph will also be the same (i.e. the area between (0,0) to (pi/5, 0) and (pi/5, 0) to (2pi/5, 0) is the same, however integrating for the latter area results in a negative. However, this means if we just calculate the area over just (0,0) to (pi/5, 0) and multiply it by the number of areas the graph has over the given domain, we should get the total area.

The domain is [0, a], where a is an x-intercept. This means a = n*pi/5. As n also equals the number of areas up to that point (i.e. at 7pi/5, there have been 7 areas above/below the x-axis)
a = n*pi/5
n = 5a/pi
As discussed earlier, the total area should equal the area over the domain [0, pi/5] multiplied by the number of peaks (n) over the total domain. Total area = n * integration(5pi/3, 0, 3sin(5x)) = 5a/pi * integration(5pi/3, 0, 3sin(5x))
Is this a correct answer?
 

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