The trivial constant force acceleration math

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical treatment of acceleration under a constant force in the context of relativistic physics. Participants explore the implications of relativistic effects on acceleration, velocity, and mass, and question the validity of classical mechanics equations in this framework.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a differential equation for acceleration under a constant force and simplifies it under specific conditions, leading to a solution that suggests velocity reaches a maximum in finite time, which contradicts the expected asymptotic behavior towards the speed of light.
  • Another participant discusses the changes in velocity and dynamic mass for a relativistic particle, introducing momentum and energy relations to describe the system more accurately.
  • A third participant points out that the classical equation F = ma is not applicable in relativity, suggesting that the correct formulation involves the rate of change of momentum.
  • A later reply acknowledges the mistake identified and indicates a shift in understanding regarding the solution for velocity as non-trivial.

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Participants express differing views on the application of classical mechanics in relativistic contexts, with some agreeing on the need for a revised approach while others explore the implications of their findings without reaching a consensus.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the application of classical mechanics to relativistic scenarios, including unresolved assumptions about force and mass changes, as well as the dependence on specific definitions of terms like velocity and acceleration.

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I accelerate a body by a constant force:
[tex]a = F/m = F \frac{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}{m_0}[/tex]

I simplify it by fixing F = m0 = c = 1:
[tex]\frac{dv}{dt} = {\sqrt{1-v^2}[/tex]

This diff equation formalizes the dependence of relativistic body acceleration on its velocity. To get the speed at time t, I solve it rearranging into

[tex]\int{ \frac{dv}{\sqrt{1-v^2}} = t[/tex]

, which is a handbook integral: t = arcsin v, or v = sin t. This 1) satisfies the equation and, as the Einstein's correction of Newton implies, 2) slows the initially constant acceleration down to zero as v approaches 1 and 3) precludes super-light speeds. However, sine reaches v=1 in finite amount of time while texts tell that we should approach the speed of light asymptotically in t = ∞. Oscillations is not what I expected. Where is the mistake?
 
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When a relativistic particle is accelerated, both the velocity and dynamic (not rest) mass changes. We usually use the momentum p= mv multiplied by a constant, c, to give
pc = mvc = βmc2
So for a constant force,

d(pc)/dt = d(βmc2)/dt = const = d(βγm0c2)/dt = m0c2 d(βγ)/dt, where m0c2 is the rest mass in energy units.

It is sometimes easier to use the relation

E2 = (pc)2 + (m0c2)2
where E is total energy, and E-m0c2 is kinetic energy.

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valjok said:
Where is the mistake?
The mistake is that F = ma is not valid in relativity. But F = dp/dt is. See post #16 in "A dark part of special relativity(at least for me)" for details.
 
Thanks, Greg. I understand the mistake now and that Bob tells me how to derive the a. The v(t) solution now turns to out to be non-trivial.
 
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