The universe 700 trillion light years away.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a universe located 700 trillion light years away from our observable universe. Participants explore the possibility of this distant universe containing objects or characteristics that differ from those in the observable universe, touching on theories of cosmology and the implications of vast distances in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that there could be objects in a universe 700 trillion light years away that do not exist in the observable universe.
  • Others express skepticism about the existence of such a distant universe, questioning the premise and the terminology used.
  • A participant references a model discussed by Lisa Randall suggesting that our universe might be part of a higher-dimensional structure, which could imply significant differences in regions beyond our observable limits.
  • One participant argues that based on current cosmological models, it is unlikely that there would be major distinctions just beyond our cosmological horizon, noting that existing models predict uniform characteristics throughout the universe.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of causally disconnected multiverses resulting from eternal inflation, suggesting that if such models are accurate, there could be radically different universes beyond our own.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of current scientific consensus, with a participant emphasizing the historical inaccuracies in scientific understanding and the vast unknowns that still exist within our own universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of viewpoints, with some supporting the idea of a vastly different universe existing beyond our observable limits, while others challenge the premise and emphasize the uniformity predicted by current models. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of current cosmological models and the potential for unknown factors influencing our understanding of the universe. There is also an acknowledgment of the historical evolution of scientific consensus and the uncertainties that persist in cosmology.

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Our universe 700 trillion light years away.

Could our universe 700 trillion light years away be alien to the observable universe? Containing objects that don't exist in the observable universe for example?
 
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i am sure that there are things in the observable universe that are still waiting to be discovered.
 
Errr... which universe 700 trillion light years away is this?
 
nicksauce said:
Errr... which universe 700 trillion light years away is this?

You know. The one that has those objects in it that don't exist in the observable universe.
 
marcus said:
You know. The one that has those objects in it that don't exist in the observable universe.

Oh,yes, that one almost forgot about that one! Why yes that one there where it has those objects in it that don't exist in the observable universe does contain objects in it that don't exist in the observable universe.
:smile:

I think what the OP was trying to say is:

In our universe 700 trillion light years away could there be objects that are different from those that we can see.
 
It's a big number yes, but it's possible the universe is that large. I recall reading in Lisa Randalls 'Warped Passages' yesterday that one model that she and a Greek physicist studied entertained the possibility that we are in a 3 (spatial) dimensional 'sink hole', and other non-causally connected parts of the universe might indeed by macroscopically higher dimensional.

In answer to your question, YES. Anything outside the light horizon could be very different. However, without a warp drive or a wormhole we'd never know.
 
We are just trying to realize vastness of 156Gly, which is suppose to be our entire universe's recently measured diameter, i see somebody jumping high, talking about even 5000 times bigger universe. In that distance there might be a different universe, who knows. But i personally believe there is only one universe at the moment.
 
Based on generally accepted cosmological models, it is very UNLIKELY there would be major distinctions in OUR universe just beyond our cosmological horizon. There is no widely accepted model that predicts such distinct variation in cosmological characteristics. In fact, as far as I know all models predict the SAME characteristics throughout our universe.

In other words, the light we observe each succeeding day reveals a bit more of our own cosmos, since more distant light reaches us, and the cosmic background radiation appears to reflect rather uniform, consistent, expected characteristics. Nobody has said "WOW, LOOK AT THAT! ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE GETTING AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KIND OF CBR"

However, it IS possible there are causally disconnected multiverses, which might result from eternal inflation, for example, which are radically different from our own universe. In fact, if any such models are accurate it's virtually guaranteed something "alien" is out there because ALL possible variations would result...there would be literally an infinite number of all types of universes...the only ones which would not be present are those which quickly self destruct...

As for a personal opinion, I don't think we have begun to scratch the surface of what's really "out there" but likely we have a pretty good initial view within out own universe. And we also have to keep in mind virtually all "consensus science" in history has been WRONG! (from alchemy,to Earth as the center of the universe, to how dogs learn, to vitamin C preventing colds, circular planetary orbits, to Einstein's "static" universe and recently, the very existence of dark energy and dark matter...we "just" found out we know almost nothing about 95% of the energy and matter in our own universe!)

That last item makes me think maybe I should have said "not only do we not know beans about our own universe; we have no idea what we don't know"!
 
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