Theoretical Physicist PhD: Can I Apply?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the eligibility of a candidate with a PhD in Theoretical Particle Physics applying for a position seeking an Experimental Physicist. The conversation explores the relevance of theoretical experience versus practical experience in experimental roles within particle physics.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether having a theoretical PhD is sufficient without the required practical experience in experimental physics.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of hands-on experience in designing and operating detectors, suggesting that theoretical experience may not meet the job's demands.
  • A participant notes that the job description explicitly requires experience in data analysis and detector hardware, raising concerns about the candidate's qualifications.
  • Some participants argue that applying is worthwhile despite potential shortcomings in experience, while others caution that competition will be strong from candidates with extensive experimental backgrounds.
  • There is speculation that the hiring committee may have already made a decision before the job posting, which could affect the candidate's chances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the sufficiency of a theoretical background for the position. While some believe that applying is reasonable, others stress the necessity of practical experience, indicating a lack of consensus on the candidate's eligibility.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity regarding the specific qualifications and experiences valued by the hiring committee, as well as the potential for pre-selection of candidates prior to the job posting.

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If I did a PhD in Theoretical Particle Physics, would I be able to apply to this job?

https://ert.cern.ch/browse_www/wd_pds?p_web_site_id=1&p_web_page_id=9147&p_no_apply=&p_show=N

It is looking for an Experimental Physicist but I would be theoretical but I would have the required degree.
 
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Would you also have the required experience? I think this matters more than the actual degree.
 
eXorikos said:
Would you also have the required experience? I think this matters more than the actual degree.

Yes, I have the experience but it is in a theoretical research role.
 
The only way to find out is to apply. What do you have to lose by applying?
 
TJRichards160 said:
Yes, I have the experience but it is in a theoretical research role.

"THE" experience that the position is seeking for was stated explicitly:

To play an important role in all aspects of particle physics experiments, involving the conception and design of experiments, the development and operation of detectors and the analysis of data.
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Experience in data analysis, in the use of on-line or off-line software and competence in detector hardware.

I can see how you would have experience in data analysis, but are you sure you are competent in design and OPERATION of detectors, and handling of detector hardware? It appears that from the entire description of this job, this is a hands-on position where you are expected to be able to design hardware and also be able to know about the physics of these detectors. From what I have seen others in such a position, it involves a lot of physics labor, including hardware assembling and testing.

Do you think you are capable of that work?

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Up to five years' post-doctoral experience in the field of particle physics.

From that statement you need more than just your PhD, you also need experience as a post-doc in the particle-physics field.
 
Yes, you can apply.

Other people who will be applying will have years of experimental experience, and will have written papers on experimental topics. You will have to convince the committee to hire you over all of them.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Other people who will be applying will have years of experimental experience, and will have written papers on experimental topics. You will have to convince the committee to hire you over all of them.

That's assuming that they haven't already decided who to hire, and the job ad is just a pro-forma post to get around a bureaucratic posting requirement. It's very common in these sorts of things to post the job after the committee has made a decision as to who to hire.
 
Not at CERN.
 

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