Therefore, the maximum area of the triangle is 1/2.

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum area of a triangle with one vertex at the center of a unit circle and the other two vertices on the circumference. Participants explore various angles and mathematical approaches to find this maximum area, including the implications of different central angles and the use of calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that making the central angle 90 degrees might yield the maximum area, initially assuming the area of the circle is 1.
  • Another participant corrects the area of the unit circle, stating it is actually π, and questions the area of the triangle formed with a 90-degree angle.
  • A later reply clarifies that if the central angle is 90 degrees, the area of the triangle is 1/2, but questions whether larger angles could yield a greater area.
  • Participants discuss the use of Heron's formula and derivatives to find the maximum area, with one noting that taking the derivative could also yield a minimum, depending on the function's behavior.
  • Another participant proposes separating the triangle into two orthogonal triangles and derives the area equation, concluding that the maximum area occurs when the central angle is π/2, resulting in an area of 1/2.

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Participants express differing views on the maximum area of the triangle, with some supporting the idea that the area is 1/2 for a 90-degree angle, while others explore the possibility of larger angles affecting the area. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the absolute maximum area.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made about the triangle's configuration and the dependence on the central angle. The mathematical steps for maximizing the area are not fully resolved, and the implications of different angles are still under consideration.

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What is the greatest possible area of a triangle that has one vertex at the center of a circle with radius 1 and the other 2 vertices on the circumference of the circle? Can anyone give me some insight into this?

I was thinking maybe make the center angel 90 degree's? If so my circle would have an area of 1 I believe. Is this the maximum area?
 
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Uh ... you really think a unit circle has an area of 1? You might want to rethink that.

Figure out what the area of a unit circle is. If your central angle is 90 degrees, don't you reckon the area of that pie-segment would be 1/4 of the area of the circle and the area of the triangle would be fairly close to that amount?

How you write an equation for the area of the triangle should be easy but I don't know how you solve it for maximum.
 
PsychonautQQ said:
What is the greatest possible area of a triangle that has one vertex at the center of a circle with radius 1 and the other 2 vertices on the circumference of the circle? Can anyone give me some insight into this?

I was thinking maybe make the center angel 90 degree's? If so my circle would have an area of 1 I believe. Is this the maximum area?
No, the circle's area is ##\pi##. Your goal is to find the area of an inscribed triangle. If the angle (not "angel" which is something different) at the center of the circle is 90°, then the area of the triangle is 1/2 (isosceles right triangle with legs of length 1). What's to prevent that central angle from being larger than 90°? Can you write an equation that gives the area of a triangle with one vertex at the center of the circle, another at the point (1, 0), and the third at an arbitrary point on the circle?
 
PsychonautQQ said:
I was thinking maybe make the center angel 90 degree's? If so my circle would have an area of 1 I believe. Is this the maximum area?
Although (as others pointed out), the circle's area is ##\pi##, your answer is correct.
Mark44 said:
Can you write an equation that gives the area of a triangle with one vertex at the center of the circle, another at the point (1, 0), and the third at an arbitrary point on the circle?
Since we already know that the other side also has length 1, I think it would be easier to plug in ##a=1,\ b=1## in Heron's formula.
phinds said:
How you write an equation for the area of the triangle should be easy but I don't know how you solve it for maximum.
Simple, take the derivative of the function describing the area, and let it equal 0 :-)
 
certainly said:
Simple, take the derivative of the function describing the area, and let it equal 0 :-)
DOH ! (Although that could also give you a minimum, depending on what the function looks like ... I don't think it would do that in this particular case).
 
phinds said:
DOH ! (Although that could also give you a minimum, depending on what the function looks like ... I don't think it would do that in this particular case).
It does. In the end you solve for ##a^2## (where ##a## is the third side). Maximum is ##+x##, minimum is ##-x##.
 
For one vertex on the centre of circle, you are right:
Separate the triangle to two orthogonal triangles with vertical lines x and y, so x2+y2=1.
The total triangle area is:
$$ E = xy = x\sqrt{1-x^2} \Rightarrow \frac{dE}{dx} = \sqrt{1-x^2} - \frac{x^2}{\sqrt{1-x^2}} = 0 \Rightarrow x=y=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \Rightarrow $$
$$ \tan(\theta/2) = \frac{y}{x} = 1 \Rightarrow \theta=\pi/2 ,\, E_{max}=\frac{1}{2} $$
 

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