Therefore, this is not possible and the correct answer is no.

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The discussion revolves around the topic of matrix row operations, specifically whether certain operations can be performed to transform the identity matrix into a given matrix. The original poster questions the validity of subtracting a row from itself as part of row operations.

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  • Participants explore the legitimacy of subtracting a row from itself during row operations and its implications on matrix rank and invertibility. Some participants provide reasoning against this operation, while others question the consequences of allowing it.

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Participants are operating under the constraints of standard row operation rules in linear algebra, and there is an emphasis on the implications of these operations on matrix properties such as rank and invertibility.

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Can I get this matrix
\begin{smallmatrix}
1&1&0\\ 0&0&1\\ 0&0&0
\end{smallmatrix}
from the identidy matrix I3 like this:


\begin{smallmatrix}
1&0&0\\ 0&1&0\\ 0&0&1
\end{smallmatrix}
Add second row to first row.
Then substract second row from itself.
Is the substraction of a row from itself allowed?
 
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alingy1 said:
Can I get this matrix
\begin{smallmatrix}
1&1&0\\ 0&0&1\\ 0&0&0
\end{smallmatrix}
from the identidy matrix I3 like this:\begin{smallmatrix}
1&0&0\\ 0&1&0\\ 0&0&1
\end{smallmatrix}
Add second row to first row.
Then substract second row from itself.
Is the substraction of a row from itself allowed?

No, you can only add or subtract linear combinations of other rows that are not the row itself when performing row operations.
 
If subtracting a row from itself was a legitimate row operation, you could row reduce any matrix to a zero matrix. And, presto change-o, every matrix has rank zero.
 
In fact, it is NOT possible to get
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}1& 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
from the identity matrix by "row operations".

If it were then by doing the "reverse" row operations to the identity matrix would give the inverse matrix. And this matrix, since it has one row of all 0s, has determinant 0 and is NOT invertible.

(Every row operation has a reverse- the reverse of "multiply row i by a non-zero number" is "divide row i by the number, the reverse of "swap two rows" is itself, and the reverse of "add x (x non zero) times row j to row i" is "subtract 1/x times row j from row i.)
 
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