Thermal neutron detection using MCNP

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The discussion revolves around the detection of thermal neutrons using the MCNP (Monte Carlo N-Particle Transport Code) simulation software, specifically focusing on the use of CUToff or PHYS:N cards for this purpose. Participants explore the appropriate methods for tallying thermal neutrons, which have an energy of approximately 0.025 eV, and the implications of energy bin settings in the simulation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using an energy bin card for tallying, providing an example of how to set it up to capture thermal neutrons within specific energy ranges.
  • Another participant reiterates the importance of using energy bins but emphasizes that the energy bins will be below the energy cutoff, indicating that 0.025 eV may not be detected without proper settings in the input file.
  • A different participant challenges the assertion about energy cutoffs, stating that photons and electrons typically have a cutoff at 1 keV and questioning the existence of a default low energy cutoff for neutrons, while mentioning the lower energy bound for ACE data tables.
  • This participant also offers assistance by inviting the sharing of input files that may not be functioning correctly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the handling of low energy cutoffs for neutron detection in MCNP, with no consensus reached on the specifics of energy bin settings or the default cutoffs applicable to neutrons.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the appropriate energy cutoff settings in MCNP for detecting thermal neutrons, as well as the implications of using energy bins in relation to these cutoffs.

Islam Nabil
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How can i detect the thermal neutron, E = 0.025 Ev, by MCNP using CUToff Or PHYS:N cards?
 
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Unless there is a specific reason not to, I'd use an energy bin card for the tally. For example,
F4:n 3
e4 5e-7 0.1 3 $ Energy bins
Results in 3 tallies for cell 3, everything under half an eV, everything between half an eV and 0.1MeV and everything between 0.1 and 3 MeV.

Don't expect any neutrons at exactly 0.025 of course, it's a distribution, so take the range you are calling thermal neutrons and put them into the energy bins.
 
Alex A said:
Unless there is a specific reason not to, I'd use an energy bin card for the tally. For example,
F4:n 3
e4 5e-7 0.1 3 $ Energy bins
Results in 3 tallies for cell 3, everything under half an eV, everything between half an eV and 0.1MeV and everything between 0.1 and 3 MeV.

Don't expect any neutrons at exactly 0.025 of course, it's a distribution, so take the range you are calling thermal neutrons and put them into the energy bins.
No, the energy bins will be below the energy cutoff. 0.025 ev will not be detected. The cutoff or phys:n must be in the input file to handle the low energy bin E= 0.025ev
 
Respectfully, I believe you are mistaken. Photons and electrons traditionally cut off at 1kev. I do not think there is any default low energy cut off for neutrons.

I understand the lower energy bound for the ACE data tables is traditionally ten micro eV. I don't know what the limits are for the newer tables.

If you are running an input file that isn't working we would be happy to look at it if you can share it, or a simplified input you can share with the same problem.
 
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