Thermal Physics and Differentials

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The discussion revolves around a problem in thermal physics involving a hypothetical substance characterized by specific compressibility and volume expansivity equations. Participants are tasked with deriving an equation of state based on these properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to integrate the given equations with respect to temperature but expresses uncertainty about the correct approach, questioning whether to treat the substance as an ideal gas. Other participants raise concerns about the definitions of compressibility and expansivity, and some suggest integrating with respect to pressure instead.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the definitions of key concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to clarify basic definitions, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants indicate confusion regarding the mathematical definitions of compressibility and expansivity, which may be impacting their ability to progress with the problem.

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A hypothetical substance has a compressibility k = a /V and a volume expansivity
B = 2bT /V , where a and b are constants and V is the molar volume. Show that the
equation of state is:
V = bT2 - aP + constant


To be honest I'm not entirely sure what I'm actually supposed to be doing with this question. Do I treat it as an ideal gas and therefore use that equation or is that completely wrong.


So far I have integrated each of the equations in respect to T, giving me,

(integral of) a/V dT = aT/V + c

(integral of) 2bT/V dT = bT^2/V + c

But now I'm stuck and can't seem to find a relevant relationship between P and what I've got there.
 
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Your first equation is wrong. Compressibility has to do with the change in volume due to a change in pressure, not temperature.
 
So do I integrate both in terms of dP?
 
Both what?

What are the (mathematical) definitions of compressibility and expansivity?
 
Well I think they're k = 1/P and B = 1/T but I've been given equations for both in the question.
 
Sorry, I meant the general definitions in terms of derivatives.
 
To be honest I really don't know. I've become very confused with all the derivatives and general definitions.
 
Well, you should start by looking those up in your textbook or notes. If you don't know the basic definitions of the quantities involved in the problem, it's no surprise that the problem is confusing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Material_properties_(thermodynamics )
 
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