Thermal Physics, Homework #1 problem #1

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The discussion revolves around a thermal physics problem involving localized particles in an external magnetic field, focusing on calculating the number of accessible states as a function of magnetization and deriving the entropy per particle. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the assignment and seeks guidance on how to approach the problem.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Stirling's Approximation to simplify calculations involving factorials in the context of entropy. There is also a consideration of how to determine the value of magnetization M that maximizes the number of states.

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Some participants have offered guidance on applying Stirling's Approximation to the entropy formula, while others are exploring the implications of the Gaussian distribution in relation to the value of M. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being examined, particularly regarding the conditions for maximizing the number of states.

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The original poster notes a time constraint, as the homework is due the following morning, which may influence the urgency of the discussion. There is also an indication of uncertainty regarding the application of provided equations and concepts.

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Consider a large number N of localized particles in an external magnetic field H. Each particle has spin 1/2.

Find the number of states, g(N,M), accessible to the system as a function of M=(Nup-Ndown), the magnetization.

Calculate the entropy per particle.

Determine the value of M for which the number of states is a maximum for a given N.


Equations that may help?
N=Nup+Ndown

M=Nup-Ndown

g(N,s)= N!/(Nup!Ndown!)

σ(N,U)=log(g(N,U))



This is my first thermal physics course and I am kinda confused (and overwhelmed) by this first homework assignment if anyone could explain what I am suposed to do, or set me in a direction, I would appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,
Kris
 
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I should note, this homework is due tomorrow morning :(

any help appreciated!
 
Are you familiar with Stirling's Approximation:

[tex] \ln[N!]\approx N\ln[N]-N[/tex]
 
yes, the stirling's approximation just gives a means to calculate N! for very large N, but I still don't know how to apply that to entropy per particle...
 
Use the equations you are given:

[tex] \sigma=\ln\left[\frac{N!}{N_{up}!N_{down}!}\right]=\ln[N!]-\ln[N_{up}!]-\ln[N_{down}!][/tex]

Apply Stirling's approximation to the above, then use the fact that [itex]N=N_{up}+N_{down}[/itex] and [itex]M=N_{up}-N_{down}[/itex].
 
okay thank you!,

"Determine the value of M for which the number of states is a maximum for a given N."
The value of M should be 0 correct?, because the middle of the Gaussian distribution will be centered at the origin. M=Nup-Ndown
 
scikris said:
okay thank you!,

"Determine the value of M for which the number of states is a maximum for a given N."
The value of M should be 0 correct?, because the middle of the Gaussian distribution will be centered at the origin. M=Nup-Ndown

Correct, but I would say this as "the value of M will be zero because the maximum of the Gaussian distribution will be when [itex]N_{up}=N_{down}=N/2\rightarrow M=N_{up}-N_{down}=N_{up}-N_{up}=0[/itex]" rather than how you have it.
 
okay cool, your equation didnt show up could you re-post it?
 
That is weird, I thought \rightarrow worked here... It should read

[itex]N_{up}=N_{down}=N/2[/itex] --> [itex]M=N_{up}-N_{down}=N_{up}-N_{up}=0[/itex]
 
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thanks, I think I have got it now.
 

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