Thermal: taylor series van der waals equation

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The discussion revolves around the Van der Waals equation of state and its relationship to the ideal gas law under specific conditions, namely constant volume and temperature while decreasing the number of particles. Participants are exploring the implications of a Taylor series expansion in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to rearrange the Van der Waals equation into a form suitable for Taylor expansion. There are discussions about substituting variables and expanding functions around specific points. Questions arise regarding the correct application of Taylor series and the implications of terms being negligible.

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The discussion is active with participants providing guidance to each other on the steps to take in the Taylor expansion process. There is a focus on understanding the significance of certain terms and the conditions under which they can be considered negligible. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the behavior of the variables involved.

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Participants note the importance of the condition x << 1 in their analysis, which relates to the physical setup of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the assumptions made regarding the volume and number of particles in the gas, which are central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Show that at constant volume V and temperature T but decreasing number N=n*N_{A} of particles the Van der Waals equation of state approaches the equation of state of an ideal gas.

Hint: Rearrange the equation of state into the explicit functional form P=P(v,T) and use x=1/v as a small parameter for a Taylor series P(x)=P(0)+dP/dx x + ...

Homework Equations


Van der Waals equation of state for a real gas:
( P + \frac{a}{v^{2}} ) ( v - b ) = RT
Taylor series expansion:
f(x)=f(a)+f&#039;(a)(x-a)+\frac{f&quot;(a)}{2!} (x-a)^{2} + ...

The Attempt at a Solution


Rearranging...
( P + \frac{a}{v^{2}} ) ( v - b ) = RT
P + \frac{a}{v^{2}} = \frac{RT}{v-b}
P = \frac{RT}{v-b} - \frac{a}{v^{2}}

Now it's been a while since I've done a Taylor expansion so I don't seem to remember how to go about it. Could someone just point me in the right direction? Thanks!
 
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mbradar2 said:
P = \frac{RT}{v-b} - \frac{a}{v^{2}}

Go ahead and follow the hint by letting x = 1/v. Then think about simplifying and expanding the first fraction on the RHS as a Taylor series in x.
 
So...

P = \frac{RT}{\frac{1}{x} - b} - \frac{a}{\frac{1}{x^{2}}}
P = \frac{RT}{\frac{1}{x} - \frac{bx}{x}} - ax^{2}
P = \frac{RT}{\frac{1-bx}{x}} - ax^{2}
P = \frac{RTx}{(1-bx)} - ax^{2}

And then expand the first fraction, so do a Taylor expansion of \frac{RTx}{(1-bx)} around the point 1/v.

f(x)=f(a)+f&#039;(a)(x-a)+\frac{f&#039;&#039;(a)}{2!} (x-a)^{2} + \frac{f&#039;&#039;&#039;(a)}{3!} (x-a)^{3}+...

f(x) = \frac{RTx}{(1-bx)} and a = 1/v , correct?
So f(a) = \frac{\frac{RT}{v}}{1-bx} = \frac{RT}{v(1-bx)}

Then for f'(a)... it's been a while since I've taken a simple derivative; is the following correct?
f&#039;(a)=f&#039;(\frac{RT}{v} \frac{1}{1-bx})=f&#039;(\frac{RT}{v} (1-bx)^{-1})
f&#039;(a)=\frac{RT}{v} * -(1-bx)^{-2} * (-b) = \frac{RT}{v} b(1-bx)^{-2}

I just wanted to make sure if that is the correct way to go now before I continue.
 
mbradar2 said:
P = \frac{RTx}{(1-bx)} - ax^{2}

Good. So, you have P = RTxf(x) - ax^{2} where f(x) = 1/(1-bx)
And then expand the first fraction, so do a Taylor expansion of \frac{RTx}{(1-bx)} around the point 1/v.

You'll just need to expand f(x) = 1/(1-bx) about x = 0 and then multiply by RTx.

f(x)=f(a)+f&#039;(a)(x-a)+\frac{f&#039;&#039;(a)}{2!} (x-a)^{2} + \frac{f&#039;&#039;&#039;(a)}{3!} (x-a)^{3}+...

You'll want to expand about x = 0, so a = 0 in the Taylor expansion. [See the hint in the statement of the problem.]
 
Thank you for replying! :) So my Taylor series is the following...?

\frac{1}{1-bx} = f(0) + f&#039;(0)(x-a) + ...
\frac{1}{1-bx} = 1 + b(1-bx)^{-2} (x-a) + ...

What do I do with the (x-a) [or (x-0) I guess]?
(I should know this by now but it's just been a while and doing a Taylor series expansion has apparently been completely erased from my memory.)

Then once I finish some more of the Taylor series, I multiply that whole right hand side by RTx?
 
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mbradar2 said:
Thank you for replying! :) So my Taylor series is the following...?

\frac{1}{1-bx} = f(0) + f&#039;(0)(x-a) + ...
\frac{1}{1-bx} = 1 + b(1-bx)^{-2} (x-a) + ...

What do I do with the (x-a) [or (x-0) I guess]?
(I should know this by now but it's just been a while and doing a Taylor series expansion has apparently been completely erased from my memory.)

Then once I finish some more of the Taylor series, I multiply that whole right hand side by RTx?

Yes, that looks pretty good. But, don't forget that f&#039;(0) means to let x = 0 after taking the derivative. And, yes, (x-a) is (x-0). Then, as you say, you'll multiply by RTx.
 
Oh right, I forgot to put x=0 in. So:

\frac{1}{1-bx} = 1+b(1-bx)^{-2}(x-0) + ... = 1+b(x-0)+...

Again though, what do I do with the (x-0)? Do I put 0 in for that x too? If I do that then all the other terms become zero and I just have:
\frac{1}{1-bx} = 1

So then my original equation P = RTx \frac{1}{1-bx} - ax^{2}
becomes P = RTx - ax^{2}

I don't see how this will eventually get me to the ideal gas equation of state PV=nRT. I can get the v back but I have an extra a and I don't have an n...
EDIT: Oh I forgot that v = V/n so I can get my n too, so I just have the extra a.
 
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mbradar2 said:
Oh right, I forgot to put x=0 in. So:

\frac{1}{1-bx} = 1+b(1-bx)^{-2}(x-0) + ... = 1+b(x-0)+...

Again though, what do I do with the (x-0)? Do I put 0 in for that x too? If I do that then all the other terms become zero and I just have:
\frac{1}{1-bx} = 1

Just reduce (x-0) to x. But don't make x = 0 here. You only set x = 0 for the derivatives in the taylor expansion. Thus, f&#039;(0)*(x-0) means that you let x = 0 in expression for f&#039;(x) but not in the expression (x-0).
 
Okay well if I do that then I get:
\frac{1}{1-bx} = 1 + bx + b^{2}x^{2} + b^{3}x^{3} + ...

Which still doesn't make anything simplified so that I'd get to the ideal gas equation. What am I missing here?

Thank you for helping me through this, I appreciate it.
 
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Put it all together and remember you're looking at the case where x << 1. So you can keep the lowest order term in x and drop all the higher order terms.
 
  • #11
Ok so if I take out the higher order terms including the ax^2 and make the appropriate x=1/v and v=V/n substitutions I do get the PV=nRT like I'm supposed so thank you - problem solved! :)

But I guess the part of it that is still confusing to me is the x << 1 part. Why do I take x << 1? Is that just what you're supposed to do in a Taylor expansion or was I supposed to know that from some wording in my problem?

Thank you!
 
  • #12
Wait... I went too quickly, I skipped something in my head. What happens to the b?

P=RTx(1+bx)-ax^{2}

If I have just P=RTx if I drop the ax^2 then I do get PV=nRT. That's what I wrote down after I read your reply but I don't know why I dropped the bx term too.
 
  • #13
Is it that when x << 1 then the b is negligible so it's basically (1+bx) = 1?
 
  • #14
mbradar2 said:
Why do I take x << 1? Is that just what you're supposed to do in a Taylor expansion or was I supposed to know that from some wording in my problem?

x = 1/v = n/V. What does the problem say about V and n?
 
  • #15
TSny said:
x = 1/v = n/V. What does the problem say about V and n?

OH yep there it is in the question. I think I'm just trying to go through it too quickly that I'm missing important things like that. Thank you!
 
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mbradar2 said:
Wait... I went too quickly, I skipped something in my head. What happens to the b?

P=RTx(1+bx)-ax^{2}

If I have just P=RTx if I drop the ax^2 then I do get PV=nRT. That's what I wrote down after I read your reply but I don't know why I dropped the bx term too.

P=RTx(1+bx)-ax^{2}=RT(x+bx^2)-ax^2

Both the b and a terms are of order x^2.
 
  • #17
mbradar2 said:
Is it that when x << 1 then the b is negligible so it's basically (1+bx) = 1?

bx becomes negligible with respect to 1 if x tends to zero. b means the own volume of the gas molecules, x is the reciprocal of the specific volume of the gas, so bx=b/v is the relative volume of the molecules with respect to the volume of the gas. As the gas expands, its volume increases while the volume of the molecules stays constant. bx<<1, so it can be neglected.

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  • #18
Ah, perfect. Thank you so much for all the help with this problem! :)
 
  • #19
When a classmate asked me for help with this question and I showed him my work, he brought up a good point: If x<<1 then wouldn't it mean that in my equation P=RTx the x there <<1 too so the RT is negligible as well?
 
  • #20
Yes, RTx will be negligible, with respect to what? I don't see any macro quantity anywhere in your equation.

RTx may be negligible, but it is there. In your previous equation (1+bx), bx was negligible in front of 1. But here, it is a quantity, that's another thing you call it negligible.

1 in front of million don't makes much sense, but 1 alone has its worth.
 

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