Thermodynamics cycle work question

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a gas performing a cycle. The original poster presents a scenario with specific pressures and volumes, seeking to determine the work done by the gas in the cycle and the volume at a certain state.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work based on the area of a triangle formed by pressure and volume changes. There are inquiries about how to find a specific volume (V3) and the meaning of the angular coefficient in the context of the problem.

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Several participants are engaged in clarifying the relationships between pressure, volume, and the equations governing them. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical representation of the process, with some guidance provided on determining the angular coefficient and its implications for the line equation.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and relationships within the context of thermodynamics, with some expressing a desire to understand the underlying concepts more deeply before the school year begins. There are indications of missing information regarding the specific setup of the cycle and the values needed for calculations.

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Homework Statement


A mass of gas occupying volume V1 = 2 m3 at the pressure P1 = 4*10^5 Pa performs the cycle represented in the Figure that i have uploaded.What is the work of gas in this cycle, knowing that the pressure P2 = 10^5 Pa
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Homework Equations


Work=1/2 * (P1 - P2) * (V1 - V3)

The Attempt at a Solution


The work is the area within the triangle.
1/2 base * height
= 1/2 * (P1 - P2) * (V1 - V3) The question that i have is how do i find V3?[/B]
 

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The cartesian equation of the line from the step ##3## to the step ##2## is ##P(V)=2\cdot 10^5 \cdot V## so ## V_{3}=0,5 m^3##.
 
Ssnow said:
The cartesian equation of the line from the step ##3## to the step ##2## is ##P(V)=2\cdot 10^5 \cdot V## so ## V_{3}=0,5 m^3##.
Can you please explain this to me?

For example how did you get 2*10^5?
 
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The number ##2\cdot 10^5## is the angular coefficient of the line from the process ##3## to ##2##. The line pass through the origin so the line has equation of the form ##P=m\cdot V## in order to find ##m## you can use the point ##(V_{1},P_{1})=(2,4\cdot 10^5)##, so ##4\cdot 10^5=m\cdot 2## and ##m=2\cdot 10^5##...
Ssnow
 
Ssnow said:
The number ##2\cdot 10^5## is the angular coefficient of the line from the process ##3## to ##2##. The line pass through the origin so the line has equation of the form ##P=m\cdot V## in order to find ##m## you can use the point ##(V_{1},P_{1})=(2,4\cdot 10^5)##, so ##4\cdot 10^5=m\cdot 2## and ##m=2\cdot 10^5##...
Ssnow
What is m? Is this some kinda new thing like volume or pressure or not?
also now that i know m how do i find V3

and also i apologize for being obnoxious and wasting your time but... why is the line passing through the origin means that the equation is of the form P=m*V?
again sorry for so many questions but i am genuinly curios and really want to learn before school starts
 
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In a Cartesian plane, with coordinates ##x## and ##y## you can rapresent a line (a direct proportionality law between ##x## and ##y##) using the equation ##y=mx+q## where ##m## is called the angular coefficient and ##q## is the pont where the line intersect the ##y## axis. In your case instead ##y## and ##x## there are ##P## and ##V## so the equation of your line is ##P=mV+q##. Now ##q## must be ##0## because the line pass in the origin, so from ##0=m\cdot 0 + q## you find ##q=0##, and ##P=mV## . In order to find the line equation you must determine the coefficient ##m##. You will use the other point on the line so as I said in the previous post ##P=2\cdot 10^5\cdot V##. Now you have the general equation of the line and using the point ##(P_{2},V_{3})=(10^5,V_{3})## you can find ##V_{3}##...
Ssnow
 

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