Thermodynamics of an elastic band

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamics of an elastic band, specifically focusing on the Gibbs free energy and its relation to entropy and tension. The original poster presents a problem involving the thermal expansion coefficient at zero tension, seeking to demonstrate that it is negative based on the provided equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to show that the partial derivative of length with respect to temperature at constant tension is negative, using a Maxwell-type relation. Some participants question the correctness of the entropy expression and suggest it may contain a typo or require additional conditions.

Discussion Status

Some participants confirm the correctness of the entropy expression as presented, while others propose a simplification of the expression. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the constants involved, particularly regarding the relationship between a and b.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is based on a past exam paper, which may impose specific constraints or assumptions relevant to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



The Gibbs free energy of an elastic band satisfied dG = -SdT - LdF where F is the tension and L the string's length.

At fixed temp the entropy is given by S = So - a(L-Lo)^2 + b(L-Lo)^2

Where Lo is the length of the elastic at zero tension and a and b are positive constants.

Show that the thermal expansion coefficient at zero tension is negative.


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The Attempt at a Solution



So I'm trying to show that partial L wrt partial T at constant F < 0.

Using a maxwell-type relation we can say dL/Dt)f = dS/dF)T

But I'm not sure where to go from here..the expression for S doesn't contain F and I can't see how to solve..
thanks!
 
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bon said:
At fixed temp the entropy is given by S = So - a(L-Lo)^2 + b(L-Lo)^2

Is this part correct? It seems like an odd way of writing it; I suspect there's a typo or another condition in there somewhere.
 
It is correct yes! And no typo..this was on a past exam paper.
 
bon said:
It is correct yes! And no typo..this was on a past exam paper.

It doesn't seem odd that the entropy expression could be simplified to S = So + c(L-Lo)^2, where c = b-a? I don't see a way to solve it unless it's also assumed that a > b.
 

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