Thermodynamics - Rods, bubbles and magnets

[MikamiHero]

Homework Statement

For an elastic rod, show that

\[ \frac{\partial C_{L}}{\partial L}_{T} = -T*\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial T^2}

where C_{L} is the heat capacity at constant length L.

Homework Equations

dU = Tds + fdL
F = U - TS

The Attempt at a Solution

I've used
dF = dU - Tds - SdT = fdL - SdT

Therefore, S = -\frac{\partial F}{\partial T}_{L} and
f = \frac{\partial F}{\partial L}_T
Hence, \frac{\partial S}{\partial L}_T = -\frac{\partial f}{\partial T}_L

I've also found that C_{L} = T*\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}_L

Just not sure what conditions there are when I partially differentiate C_{L}

EDIT: Sorry, I've seen posts here where the TeX code gets translated directly. Is there anyway I can write in TeX language and have it appear as it were compiled in TeX?

 

[omoplata]

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Homework Statement

For an elastic rod, show that

\[ \frac{\partial C_{L}}{\partial L}_{T} = -T*\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial T^2}

where C_{L} is the heat capacity at constant length L.

Homework Equations

dU = Tds + fdL
F = U - TS

The Attempt at a Solution

I've used
dF = dU - Tds - SdT = fdL - SdT

Therefore, S = -\frac{\partial F}{\partial T}_{L} and
f = \frac{\partial F}{\partial L}_T
Hence, \frac{\partial S}{\partial L}_T = -\frac{\partial f}{\partial T}_L

I've also found that C_{L} = T*\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}_L

Just not sure what conditions there are when I partially differentiate C_{L}

 

[omoplata]

OK, what exactly do you mean "not sure what conditions there are when you partially differentiate C_{L}"?

I did, \frac{\partial C_{L}}{\partial L_{T}} = \frac{\partial}{\partial L_{T}} \left( T \frac{\partial S}{\partial T_{L}} \right) = T \frac{\partial}{\partial L_{T}} \left( \frac{\partial S}{\partial T_{L}} \right) , and from there on had an apparently clear path to the solution.

I can't write down all the steps of the solution. If I do the admins will kick me out.

 

[MikamiHero]

Hello omoplata,

Thank you very much for your reply and help with TeX. I'll re-write it out to make everything clear:

1. Homework Statement
For an elastic rod, show that

\left( \frac{\partial C_{L}}{\partial L}\right)_{T} = -T \left( \frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial T^2}\right)_{L}

where C_{L} is the heat capacity at constant length L.

2. Homework Equations
dU = Tds + fdL
F = U - TS


3. The Attempt at a Solution
I've used
dF = dU - Tds - SdT = fdL - SdT

Therefore, S = -\left( \frac{\partial F}{\partial T}\right) _{L} and
f = \left( \frac{\partial F}{\partial L} \right)_T
Hence, \left( \frac{\partial S}{\partial L}\right) _T = -\left( \frac{\partial f}{\partial T}\right)_L

I've also found that C_{L} = T\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_L

Just not sure what conditions there are when I partially differentiate C_{L}
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Oh symmetry of partial derivatives, you got me again :(.

Thank you very much, omoplata! I see what to do now.