Thermodynamics: Piston-Cylinder

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the thermodynamic behavior of nitrogen gas in a piston-cylinder arrangement during an expansion process. Participants explore the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature, as well as the work done during the expansion.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to start solving for the initial temperature and work done, suggesting the use of conservation of energy.
  • Another participant prompts the use of the ideal gas law to find the volume of the gas at a given pressure and temperature.
  • There is a confirmation that the ideal gas law is applicable for this scenario.
  • A participant notes that since the process is adiabatic, the heat transfer Q is zero, leading to a relationship between work and change in internal energy.
  • Multiple methods for calculating work are proposed, including using internal energy equations for a diatomic gas and performing an integral for work in a polytropic process.
  • One participant suggests using the equation for internal energy involving specific heat capacity and temperature change.
  • Another participant provides a simplified integral for calculating work in a polytropic process, indicating a straightforward relationship between pressures and specific volumes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the applicability of the ideal gas law and the concept of an adiabatic process, but there are multiple approaches suggested for calculating work, indicating that no consensus has been reached on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the initial temperature calculation and the specific relationships to use for work, highlighting the need for clarity on assumptions regarding the gas properties and process specifics.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying thermodynamics, particularly those working on problems involving gas laws and energy conservation in adiabatic processes.

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Homework Statement



5kg of nitrogen gas contained in a piston-cylinder arrangement expands in a process, such that pv1.4=p1v11.4, where p1 and v1 are the initial pressure and specific volume, from a pressure of 20 bar to a pressure of 1 bar and a temperature of 300K.

a. What is the initial temperature of the nitrogen?

b. How much work is done by the nitrogen as it expands?

Homework Equations



I'm not sure which relationships to use or how to even get started for both parts

The Attempt at a Solution



For part b, we will use the conservation of energy:

U2 + Ke2 + Pe2 = U1 + Ke1 + Pe1 + Q - W

So change in Pe and change in Ke is zero?

Thus, W = U2 - U1 - Q
 
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When the gas has "a pressure of 1 bar and a temperature of 300K", what is its volume? Hint: use the equation the relates pressure, volume, and temperature for a gas.

After you get that, you can use

p v1.4 = p1 v11.4
 
is it just the ideal gas law pV = nRT?
 
For part b, this is an adiabatic process, so Q = 0.

Thus, W = -(change in internal energy)?

What should i do with this?
 
There are a couple of ways to calculate W.

It's probably easiest to calculate the internal energy for a diatomic gas at the two temperatures involved (you'll need the right equation for that). Since Q=0, the change in energy gives us W.

Alternatively you can try doing the integral

W = ∫ P dV
 
So would it be something like: U = (c_v)nRT, where c_v = (5/2)T

Then W = (c_v)nR([change in]T)
 
Yes, though c_v is simply 5/2.
 
Just as a heads up, the finished integral for work for a polytropic process turns out to be pretty simple.

for p(v^n)=c

P=pressure
v=specific volume

W/m=(P2v2-P1v1)/(1-n)
 

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