Thermodynamics: using Peng-Robinson's equation of state

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the Peng-Robinson equation of state, specifically focusing on the behavior of nitrogen gas escaping from a thermally isolated tank. Participants explore the implications of adiabatic expansion and seek methods to determine the resulting temperature and pressure after a specified time period.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) presents a thermodynamics problem involving nitrogen gas escaping from a tank and requests guidance on solving it using the Peng-Robinson equation.
  • One participant asks the OP about the initial molar volume and total number of moles in the tank, suggesting these are necessary for further calculations.
  • Another participant provides a hint regarding the relationship between the partial derivative of specific entropy with respect to specific volume and the partial derivative of pressure with respect to temperature, indicating a potential approach to the problem.
  • A later reply notes the OP's absence and questions whether others are interested in continuing the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not appear to have reached a consensus, as the OP has not engaged further, and there are no clear resolutions or agreements among participants regarding the approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific values for the initial molar volume or total number of moles, which may limit the ability to fully address the problem. The discussion also assumes the expansion is adiabatic and reversible without further clarification on these conditions.

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I'm struggling with a question on an assignment about thermodynamics:

Nitrogen gas, initially at a temperature of 170 K and a pressure of 100 bar, escapes from a thermally isolated tank with a volume of 0.15 m³ at a rate of 10 mol/minute. What will be the temperature and pressure in the tank after 50 minutes? Use the Peng-Robinson equation.

We have 2 MATLAB functions involving the PR equation at our disposal: one for finding the molar volume at a given temperature and pressure, one for finding the pressure at a given temperature and molar volume. I already have the molar volume at the beginning and the end of the process, and I figured that this can be considered an adiabatic expansion.

Any thoughts on how to solve this? I don't need a completely worked out answer, a correct and useful method would be just fine.
 
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H2Odrinker said:
I'm struggling with a question on an assignment about thermodynamics:

Nitrogen gas, initially at a temperature of 170 K and a pressure of 100 bar, escapes from a thermally isolated tank with a volume of 0.15 m³ at a rate of 10 mol/minute. What will be the temperature and pressure in the tank after 50 minutes? Use the Peng-Robinson equation.

We have 2 MATLAB functions involving the PR equation at our disposal: one for finding the molar volume at a given temperature and pressure, one for finding the pressure at a given temperature and molar volume. I already have the molar volume at the beginning and the end of the process, and I figured that this can be considered an adiabatic expansion.

Any thoughts on how to solve this? I don't need a completely worked out answer, a correct and useful method would be just fine.
What did you calculate for the initial molar volume and the total number of moles in the tank?

If the expansion is adiabatic and reversible, the molar entropy of the tank contents is constant. You need to start out by deriving an equation for the partial derivative of entropy with respect to specific volume for the PR equation of state.
 
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Here's an additional hint. The partial derivative of specific entropy with respect to specific volume is given by:
$$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T=\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V$$
 
It looks like the OP has disappeared on us. Is there anyone else out there interested in pursuing this?
 

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