Thermodynamics problem relating to Chemical Potentials

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem related to chemical potentials, specifically focusing on the equilibrium between gas and liquid phases. Participants are exploring the implications of chemical potential changes and the conditions under which equilibrium is established.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between chemical potentials in gas and liquid phases, questioning the implications of equilibrium on these potentials. There is uncertainty about how to interpret the state of the gas in relation to atmospheric pressure and its effect on the liquid.

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Some participants have offered insights into the nature of equilibrium and its effect on chemical potentials, while others are still grappling with how to apply this understanding to the problem. There is ongoing exploration of the conditions that define equilibrium and how they relate to the calculations needed for the problem.

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Participants note the lack of specific information regarding the state of the gas and its interaction with the atmosphere, which complicates the analysis. There is also mention of homework constraints that may limit the scope of acceptable solutions.

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Homework Statement
A 1.05 L bottle of a carbonated soft drink contains 1.0 L of drink as is pressurized at 5 atm with
CO2 gas. At this pressure, the CO2 concentration in the drink is given by Henry’s law,
C = 0.031 P_g , where C is the concentration in moles/L and P_g is the partial pressure of the gas
(5 atm).
(a) What is the chemical potential of the CO2 in this system relative to the gas at atmospheric
pressure?
(b) The cap is briefly loosened, so that the gas comes fully into equilibrium with the atmosphere,
but the dissolved CO2 remains in solution. The bottle is then sealed.
What are the chemical potentials of the CO2 in the drink and the gas above?
(c) Finally, the bottle is shaken, such that the contents come into equilibrium. Describe what
happens, and calculate what is the pressure inside the bottle now?
Approximately how many times can this process be repeated before the drink goes flat?
Relevant Equations
Raoult's Law, Dalton's Law, Equations relating to chemical potentials
For part (a), I used this formula
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where where the i's represent the substance being used and mu_i^0 represents some reference potential. However, to my knowledge this simply calculates the change in chemical potential from one state to another which is not of much help in finding the relative chemical potential of the gas and the liquid. So I think my answer to (a) is wrong.
For (b) I'm completely lost. I'm not sure if now we take it that the gas is in equilibrium with the atmosphere but is now not in equilibrium with the drink. So then the liquid in the drink and gas in the drink are different temperatures. I'm not sure what new information I can extract from the fact that the gas has come into thermal equilibrium with the atmosphere.
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JohnJ said:
So I think my answer to (a) is wrong.
As you haven't told us your answer to (a), how can we tell?
JohnJ said:
However, to my knowledge this simply calculates the change in chemical potential from one state to another which is not of much help in finding the relative chemical potential of the gas and the liquid.
If the gas and the liquid are in equilibrium , what does that tell you about the chemical potentials in the gas and the liquid?

In part (b), you can certainly take it that the gas is no longer in equilibrium with the liquid, and a new equilibrium has to be established. What I'm not sure of is whether it means simply that the gas pressure is reduced to 1 atm, or whether it implies full mixing with the atmosphere, so that the partial pressure of CO2 is the same as that in the atmosphere (which you are not told, but would need to answer part (b)). The latter is how I would understand "fully in equilibrium", but seems inconsistent with a brief loosening of the cap and the liquid not re-equilibrating. It would take time.
 
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mjc123 said:
As you haven't told us your answer to (a), how can we tell?

If the gas and the liquid are in equilibrium , what does that tell you about the chemical potentials in the gas and the liquid?

In part (b), you can certainly take it that the gas is no longer in equilibrium with the liquid, and a new equilibrium has to be established. What I'm not sure of is whether it means simply that the gas pressure is reduced to 1 atm, or whether it implies full mixing with the atmosphere, so that the partial pressure of CO2 is the same as that in the atmosphere (which you are not told, but would need to answer part (b)). The latter is how I would understand "fully in equilibrium", but seems inconsistent with a brief loosening of the cap and the liquid not re-equilibrating. It would take time.
Thanks for your reply.
For part (a) are you suggesting that the answer is then zero, as the chemical potentials are the same due to equilibrium? I can't say that this is incorrect but it's not something that I've heard before.
For (b) I still don't know how I would handle given the information. If we say that the partial pressure of the CO2 is now 1 atm what formula would then be useable to calculate the chemical potential?
 
(a) Yes. At equilibrium the chemical potentials of CO2 in the gas and solution are the same. Now you can answer the question. (You had the right equation, just do the calculation.)
(b) The same formula. (I don't think you can, or are expected to, calculate absolute chemical potentials - calculate them, as in (a), relative to CO2(g) at 1 atm.)
 

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