Thermodynamic Identity: Chemical Potential

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamic identity and its implications for chemical potential, particularly in processes where different state variables are held constant. Participants are exploring why the equations for chemical potential remain identical under varying conditions, specifically when internal energy and volume are constant versus when entropy and volume are constant.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the implications of the hint regarding the equivalence of chemical potential equations under different constant state variables. They are also exploring whether this equivalence applies to other state variables like entropy, internal energy, and volume.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the nature of state variables and their dependence on the system's state rather than the process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the derivation of chemical potential and its relation to quasistatic changes.

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Participants note that the problem involves understanding the thermodynamic identity and its application to chemical potential, with an emphasis on the assumptions of quasistatic processes. There is a recognition of the need for clarity on how state variables interact in different thermodynamic processes.

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Thermodynamic Identity

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While I was able to work out the problem with the help of the hint, I couldn't completely understand the implication of said hint. The hint suggests that the equations for Chemical Potential in a process where ##U, V## are constant and in another where ##S,V## are both constant, are both identical. Why is this? Should we not expect that the Chemical Potential varies differently with different processes (that have different state variables held constant)?

Also, what does this imply about other state variables such as ##S, U, V##? Do we expect their equations to be the same under varying conditions as well?
 

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WWCY said:

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Homework Equations



Thermodynamic Identity

The Attempt at a Solution


While I was able to work out the problem with the help of the hint, I couldn't completely understand the implication of said hint. The hint suggests that the equations for Chemical Potential in a process where ##U, V## are constant and in another where ##S,V## are both constant, are both identical. Why is this? Should we not expect that the Chemical Potential varies differently with different processes (that have different state variables held constant)?

Also, what does this imply about other state variables such as ##S, U, V##? Do we expect their equations to be the same under varying conditions as well?
Most thermo books have a derivation to show that all the various expressions for the chemical potential in terms of the thermodynamic functions are equivalent.
 
The answer is in the name: state variables can only depend on the state of the system, not on any process that resulted in that state.

I think you may be confused the fact that the chemical potential is obtained through a derivative. The equation you get for μ is not equation for a change of chemical potential.
 
Thanks for the responses.

Is it right to say that because we have already assumed that the changes were quasistatic by deriving ##\mu## from the thermodynamic identity, the changes are always governed by the same equation of state, and therefore both derivations lead to the same expression?
 

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