Thiolation to replace I on m-iodobenzylguanidine

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the chemical process of replacing iodine (I) on m-iodobenzylguanidine with a thiol group (SH). Participants explore potential methods and considerations related to this substitution reaction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using sodium sulfide as a potential reagent for thiolation, referencing a past experience with a similar reaction involving 4-chloropyridine.
  • Another participant shares details of their own successful thiolation of 4-chloropyridine N-oxide using sodium sulfide, noting specific conditions such as the use of ethanol and a reflux period of one week.
  • Concerns are raised about the toxicity of sodium sulfide and the alkaline conditions it creates, which may affect the stability of the target molecule during the reaction.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of conducting initial experiments on a small scale to assess the feasibility and safety of the reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effectiveness of the proposed method for m-iodobenzylguanidine, as the applicability of the previous experiences to this specific case remains uncertain.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the stability of the target molecule under basic conditions is a critical factor that has not been fully addressed. Additionally, the presence of inorganic salts complicates yield determination in the referenced reaction.

Who May Find This Useful

Chemists and researchers interested in organic synthesis, particularly those exploring thiolation reactions and the use of sodium sulfide in substitution processes.

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I am trying to replace the I on m-iodobenzylguanidine with SH. Any ideas?

Jesse
 
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You might be able to use sodium sulfide. I once replaced a chloro on 4-chloropyridine with -SH using sodium sulfide, but the details of the reaction escape me right now since I did it a real long time ago. I will look it up in my notebook tomorrow at work.
 
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Thanks! I look forward to your reply.
 
I actually did it on 4-chloropyridine N-oxide, so I don't know if it will work on your system or not since the N-oxide strongly activates the 4 position, but you can give it a shot.

15 g of the N-oxide and 18.6 g of Na2S were dissolved in 1000 mL of ethanol and were refluxed for 1 week. The solution was then filtered, rotavaped down, and washed with ether. NMR confirmed thiolation. Yields were difficult to determine because of the presence of inorganic salts.


If you do try it, do it on a small scale first. Na2S and all of the H2S it gives off are pretty toxic.

Also consider the rest of your molecule, Na2S in solution will turn the solution very alkaline, so the rest of your molecule must be stable under basic conditions for the reaction to work.
 
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Thanks so much. I'll give it a try.

Jesse
 

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