This guy has written over 5,000 pages of scholarly material-all for others. Wow.

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The discussion revolves around a person who has reportedly written over 5,000 pages of scholarly material for others, raising concerns about academic integrity and the implications of such practices in higher education. Participants explore the ethical dimensions, potential impacts on learning, and the feasibility of producing such a volume of work.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the ethical implications of someone writing entire theses for students, questioning the integrity of the educational system.
  • Others argue that the high volume of work produced (5,000 pages in a year) raises doubts about the authenticity of the claims, with some suggesting it is implausible without further evidence.
  • A few participants speculate on the potential for this practice to be more prevalent in certain fields, such as sociology, compared to more rigorous disciplines like math or physics.
  • There are discussions about the motivations behind students seeking such services, including the pressure to succeed and the perceived inadequacies of educational support.
  • Some participants reflect on their own experiences with academic writing, suggesting that producing large amounts of text is possible but may not meet academic standards.
  • Concerns are raised about the ability of academic reviewers to detect work that is not genuinely authored by the student, highlighting a potential failure in the review process.
  • Participants note that the article lacks sufficient facts and relies heavily on assumptions, which complicates the discussion about the validity of the claims made.

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Participants generally express a mix of agreement and disagreement, with some acknowledging the ethical issues while others question the feasibility and implications of the claims made. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the topic.

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Limitations include a lack of concrete evidence to support claims about the volume of work produced and the effectiveness of academic oversight in detecting fraudulent submissions. The discussion also reflects varying perspectives on the motivations and consequences of academic dishonesty.

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The one thing that I do not understand is how they can do the oral defense. Sure, they have done all of the research and will probably know what they are talking about. But if one of the people on the commitee asks about a specific part of the paper I feel like it would be tough to talk about it if you didnt actually write it. Yeah, I get that you will obviously read what this guy wrote but one would be much more familiar with one's own work.
 
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DR13 said:
The one thing that I do not understand is how they can do the oral defense. Sure, they have done all of the research and will probably know what they are talking about. But if one of the people on the commitee asks about a specific part of the paper I feel like it would be tough to talk about it if you didnt actually write it. Yeah, I get that you will obviously read what this guy wrote but one would be much more familiar with one's own work.

Presumably the graduate students that use his services do *something* with their time. They might read things that their supervisor provides, or read things that the writer references. They will know something about the work, and in a meeting with their supervisor or say an oral exam, might just come across as being very nervous and struggle to articulate themselves verbally. But if they've provided a reasonable quality paper or thesis...

It's an interesting topic for sure and whilst I'm not sure about whether he exaggerates the numbers or not, I don't think it really matters. Clearly this guy and lots of other people he knows make a living out of this sort of thing. Though the numbers are still very small, it's a problem that the academic system can do without. Perhaps instead of dishing out threats for cheating, or punishments for not getting good enough grades we need more effort in encouraging students to understand the benefits of the assignments that are being set. It's quite difficult to convince someone of the full value in some seemingly arbitrary essay work, when all they're thinking about is grades to pass the year.
 

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