This is a 3D model I made of the Edmund Fitzgerald great lakes ship

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The discussion revolves around a 3D model of the Edmund Fitzgerald, a Great Lakes bulk carrier ship that sank in Lake Superior in 1975. Participants share images of the model, discuss its representation, and explore the historical and cultural significance of the ship and its sinking.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares images of their 3D model of the Edmund Fitzgerald and highlights its historical significance.
  • Another participant references a song about the ship, expressing the enduring memory of the mariners who perished.
  • Questions are raised about the lighting in 3D renditions, with some participants noting a consistent overcast appearance and inquiring if this is a limitation of the modeling tool.
  • There is a discussion about the weather conditions on Lake Superior, with one participant suggesting that the tool settings could be adjusted to depict a sunny day.
  • A participant shares personal memories related to the Edmund Fitzgerald wreck and its coverage in the media during their graduate studies.
  • Another participant mentions the dimensions of the Edmund Fitzgerald in comparison to the Suez Canal, indicating its significant size.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the representation of lighting in 3D models, with some agreeing that the overcast look is common, while others question whether it is an artifact of the tool. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to achieve realistic lighting.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the modeling tool's capabilities and the subjective nature of weather representation in 3D imagery.

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These are images of a 3D model I made of the legendary Edmund Fitzgerald, a great lakes bulk carrier ship, which famously sank in lake superior in 1975.
 

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And to go along with your model

 
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"Well, she was the pride of the American side..."

"The gales of November remember..."

Those 29 doomed mariners could never imagine their memory would live so long.

I found a 1988 rendition of his song by Gordon Lightfoot.
(search YouTube for "Gord's Gold Vol II" to acquire)

And an ethereal live folk version covered by Anna Coogan in this video.
 
@ElliotSmith I have a question. I've seen several renditions of things using what I believe is the same tool that you use and invariably they have lighting that always looks like the image is in a picture that was taken on an exceptionally overcast day. Is there something about the tool that prohibits realistic daytime lighting?
 
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phinds said:
@ElliotSmith I have a question. I've seen several renditions of things using what I believe is the same tool that you use and invariably they have lighting that always looks like the image is in a picture that was taken on an exceptionally overcast day. Is there something about the tool that prohibits realistic daytime lighting?

Lake Superior is known to have very dreary weather with thick overcast or cloud cover.

I can change some of the settings to make it look like a sunny day.
 
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ElliotSmith said:
Lake Superior is known to have very dreary weather with thick overcast or cloud cover.

I can change some of the settings to make it look like a sunny day.
OK, that's reasonable. I just find it odd that all of the images I've seen have the same heavy overcast look. I thought perhaps it was an artifact of the particular tool.
 
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Lake Superior is known to have very dreary weather with thick overcast or cloud cover.

I can change some of the settings to make it look like a sunny day.

That is a sunny day on Lake Superior!
 
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Actually, a sunny day on Lake Superior can be rather nice.

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This is at Whitefish Point, Michigan, where a lighthouse has been active since 1848. The steel tower and lightkeeper's house date to 1861.

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The light has been automated since 1971. The site how houses the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum.

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The Edmund Fitzgerald wreck happened during my first semester in graduate school at the U of Michigan. It was a major story in the Detroit newspapers and TV stations, right up there with Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance.

(These pictures are from a trip through "da U.P." nearly 30 years later, in summer 2005.)
 
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And long enough to be inducted into the "Ever Green Club" - by 17 metres.

(Suez canal: 205m; Edmund Fitzgerald: 222m)
 

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