Time above ground question involving ratio

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to vertical jumps, specifically calculating the ratio of time spent above half of the maximum height to the time taken to reach that height. The context involves analyzing an athlete's jump as a particle motion problem, ignoring air resistance.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of time spent above a certain height and the time taken to reach that height. There is uncertainty about the correct application of kinematic equations and the conditions under which certain variables can be set to zero.

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Some participants have shared their calculations and reasoning, while others have expressed confusion about the problem's wording and the application of physics principles. There is a collaborative effort to clarify the calculations and explore different approaches to the problem.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the total time for the jump is 1 second, and they are questioning how to correctly apply kinematic equations in this context. There is also a mention of a formula that some participants are unfamiliar with.

Bikengine
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In the vertical jump, an athlete starts from a crouch and jumps upward to reach as high as possible. Even the best athletes spend little more than 1.00 s in the air (their "hang time"). Treat the athlete as a particle and let ymax be his maximum height above the floor.

To explain why he seems to hang in the air, calculate the ratio of the time he is above ymax/2 moving up to the time it takes him to go from the floor to that height. You may ignore air resistance.

v = u + at
s = ut + 1/2at^2



The wording of this question is really confusing me. So I need to calculate the ratio of the time he is above ymax/2 (t1) : the time it takes him to go from the floor to ymax/2 (t2)? So its just the ratio t1:t2?
 
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Right.
While it is not necessary, I think it is useful to calculate both t1 and t2, and calculate the ratio based on those two values.
 
mfb said:
Right.
While it is not necessary, I think it is useful to calculate both t1 and t2, and calculate the ratio based on those two values.


Ok I think I've calculated t1, but I don't think it is correct.. if you are doing a calculation for an object being thrown in the air, until it reaches the point where it is coming back down can you set v=0?
 
Bikengine said:
Ok I think I've calculated t1, but I don't think it is correct..
It would be interesting to see your work.
if you are doing a calculation for an object being thrown in the air, until it reaches the point where it is coming back down can you set v=0?
At both points, the object is moving...

If moving up and down together takes 1 second, how long does it take to go up?
 
mfb said:
It would be interesting to see your work.
At both points, the object is moving...

If moving up and down together takes 1 second, how long does it take to go up?

ok so here is what I have done:

s = vt - 1/2at^2 -- I have never used this formula before, found it off google

s = ymax
a= -9.81 m/s^2
t = 0.5 (because that is half the total time to go up and down and I am just finding the up)
v = 0

ymax = 9.81 x 1/2 x 0.5^2 = 1.23m, so ymax/2 = 0.61m
 
That is a good approach. Now you just need the time from the ground to 0.61m, or from 0.61m to 1.23m. Alternatively, use the symmetry and calculate the time from 1.23m to 0.61m.
 

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