Time Derivatives of Unit Vectors

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The discussion focuses on finding the unit vectors and their time derivatives in a hyperbolic coordinate system defined by u=2xy and v=x^2 - y^2. The unit vectors are derived as u(hat) = (2yi + 2xj)/(sqrt(4x^2 + 4y^2)) and v(hat) = (2xi - 2yj)/(sqrt(4x^2 + 4y^2)). The primary challenge highlighted is calculating the time derivatives of these unit vectors, specifically du/dt and dv/dt, which requires a solid understanding of vector calculus.

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Homework Statement



The Hyperbolic coordinate system is given by: u=2xy and v=x^2 - y^2

a.) Find the unit vectors u and v in terms of u,v,x(hat),y(hat)
b.)Find the time derivatives of u(hat) and v(hat), your answers will have du/dt and dv/dt in them

Homework Equations



None really


The Attempt at a Solution



I found the unit vectors by

u(hat) = (du/dx)i + (du/dy)j
v(hat) = (dv/dx)i + (dv/dy)j

then I substituted in for x and y to give equations in terms of v and u

u(hat) = (sqrt(2))sqrt(sqrt(u^2 + v^2) - v))x(hat) + (sqrt(2))sqrt(sqrt(u^2 + v^2) +v))y(hat)

v(hat) = (sqrt(2))sqrt(sqrt(u^2 + v^2) + v))x(hat) + (-sqrt(2))sqrt(sqrt(u^2 + v^2) - v))y(hat)

I just don't understand how to take the time derivatives of these unit vectors, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
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Jshroomer said:

Homework Statement



The Hyperbolic coordinate system is given by: u=2xy and v=x^2 - y^2

a.) Find the unit vectors u and v in terms of u,v,x(hat),y(hat)
b.)Find the time derivatives of u(hat) and v(hat), your answers will have du/dt and dv/dt in them

Homework Equations



None really

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the unit vectors by

u(hat) = (du/dx)i + (du/dy)j
v(hat) = (dv/dx)i + (dv/dy)j

then I substituted in for x and y to give equations in terms of v and u

u(hat) = (sqrt(2))sqrt(sqrt(u^2 + v^2) - v))x(hat) + (sqrt(2))sqrt(sqrt(u^2 + v^2) +v))y(hat)

v(hat) = (sqrt(2))sqrt(sqrt(u^2 + v^2) + v))x(hat) + (-sqrt(2))sqrt(sqrt(u^2 + v^2) - v))y(hat)

I just don't understand how to take the time derivatives of these unit vectors, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Your unit vectors do not appear to have the correct magnitude, which should be 1.

For \hat{u} I get: \displaystyle\hat{u}=\frac{\displaystyle<br /> \frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\hat{i}+\frac{\partial u}{\partial y}\hat{j}}{\displaystyle\sqrt{\left(\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\right)^2+\left(\frac{\partial u}{\partial y}\right)^2}}=\frac{y\hat{i}+x\hat{j}}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}
 
Thank you for the correction sammy, I'm not very good at vector calculus, and my book is hard to get useful information from.

so, I have

u(hat) = (2yi + 2xj)/(sqrt(4x^2 + 4y^2))

and

v(hat) = (2xi -2yj)/(sqrt(4x^2 + 4y^2))

I still do not understand how to take the time derivatives though, thanks
 
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