Time Dilation Effect on High-Speed Object Orbiting Massive Object

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the interaction of time dilation effects due to both high-speed motion and gravitational fields, particularly for an object in a stable orbit around a massive object. Participants explore how to calculate the combined effects of these two forms of time dilation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration over the lack of consistent answers regarding the interaction of time dilation effects in high-speed orbits.
  • Another participant suggests that while time dilation due to speed and gravity can be calculated separately, their combined effect can be determined by integrating proper time intervals within the relevant space-time metric.
  • A participant notes that, according to special relativity, the mass of moving clocks does not factor into the calculation of kinetic time dilation.
  • One participant recommends searching for information on GPS and relativity as a practical example of these concepts in action.
  • A reference to a specific calculation related to Earth satellites is provided, linking to a previous discussion on the application of relativity theory to GPS.
  • A later reply indicates that the discussion has been helpful and expresses a desire to engage further with calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interaction of time dilation effects, with multiple competing views and methods presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of integrating time dilation effects and the potential for differing interpretations of how these effects interact in specific scenarios.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying relativity, orbital mechanics, or anyone looking to understand the implications of time dilation in practical applications like satellite technology.

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I browsed a lot this forum to find an answer, but it always ends up in the same way : no constant answer.

I understand how time dilation relative to speed or to gravity separately work.

But what about an object orbiting at high speed (natural ans stable orbit) an other object with a significant mass?

How would those two effect would interact? How would you calculate the effect of time dilation, of an object moving in a gravity field, knowing the mass of the central object and the orbit radius?

I have seen a lot of different answers, some pull out equations combining both gravity and relative speed time dilation laws and other say there is no connection but without giving any answer or explaining why, some other say it is the same, but again without answering thr question.

Can anyone help me?
 
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Pro7ech said:
I understand how time dilation relative to speed or to gravity separately work.
They can be calculated separately using some derived formulas. But the combined effect of both can also be obtained by integrating the proper time intervals in the appropriate space-time metric.
 
Special relativity says that all kinds of moving clocks are time dilated the same way.

For example if clock A has mass 1020kg and clock B has mass 0.1 kg, the masses can be ignored, when calculating kinetic time dilation, because there is no mass term in the time dilation formula of special relativity.
 
Google "GPS and relativity" and you should find an example with descriptions and calculations.
 
Thank you everyone, you all helped me a lot in my quest to conquering the world :))) I think it is time for me to get a pencil, a sheet of paper and a calculator!
 

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