Time Dilation & Speed of Light: Evidence Needed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of time dilation as described by the theory of relativity, specifically seeking evidence for its occurrence and the impossibility of faster-than-light (FTL) travel. Participants explore both theoretical and experimental perspectives related to these topics.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about time dilation and seek evidence to support its validity and the claim that FTL travel is impossible.
  • One participant mentions evidence of time dilation based on the decay rate of cosmic ray particles, specifically muons, which are produced in the upper atmosphere and observed at ground level.
  • Another participant suggests that there is a substantial amount of experimental evidence supporting time dilation and recommends reviewing a Wikipedia article on tests of special relativity.
  • A different participant points to a link in the forum's FAQ regarding the experimental basis of special relativity as a resource for further information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express differing views on the acceptance of time dilation, with some asserting its validity through experimental evidence while others remain skeptical and seek further proof. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the matter.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific experimental evidence and resources but do not provide detailed explanations or resolve the underlying assumptions about the nature of time dilation and FTL travel.

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I don't want to beat a dead horse with anyone fixed on dogma, but I do understand the theory of relativity and the part on time dilation, I don't yet believe. Who knows of evidence that time dilation really does occur and that traveling faster than the speed of light really is and always will be impossible?

Thanks,

Kyeohti
 
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kyeohti said:
I don't want to beat a dead horse with anyone fixed on dogma, but I do understand the theory of relativity and the part on time dilation, I don't yet believe. Who knows of evidence that time dilation really does occur and that traveling faster than the speed of light really is and always will be impossible?

Thanks,

Kyeohti

There is incontrovertible evidence of time dilation. It's based on the decay rate of some cosmic ray particle (I forget what) as it travels from the upper atmosphere to detectors on the ground. I'm sure someone here will provide details, or you can find it on the internet. Sorry about the lack of specifics.

If you believe in FTL travel, well good luck with that.
 
kyeohti said:
I don't want to beat a dead horse with anyone fixed on dogma, but I do understand the theory of relativity and the part on time dilation, I don't yet believe. Who knows of evidence that time dilation really does occur and that traveling faster than the speed of light really is and always will be impossible?

Thanks,

Kyeohti

http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v3/n12/abs/nphys778.html

Zz.
 
phinds said:
There is incontrovertible evidence of time dilation. It's based on the decay rate of some cosmic ray particle (I forget what) as it travels from the upper atmosphere to detectors on the ground. I'm sure someone here will provide details, or you can find it on the internet. Sorry about the lack of specifics.

If you believe in FTL travel, well good luck with that.

Muons are produced in the upper atmosphere in large numbers by cosmic rays. If they decayed as they do at rest, they would be essentially all decayed within 1 km of travel. Thus we would see only those produced in the bottom 1km of the atmosphere. This would be a very small number. Instead, essentially all the muons make it to the ground, and are a major reason many experiments have to done in mine shafts - to filter out this ever present barrage of cosmic ray produced muons.
 
There is a huge amount of experimental evidence. For an overview, have a look at the Wikipedia article on tests of special relativity.
 
Or follow the link in the FAQ "Experimental Basis of Special Relativity" at the top of this forum.
 

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