Time, force, distance, acceleration

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a car's motion on an inclined road, focusing on concepts of work, power, and time. The car's mass, forces acting on it, and changes in speed are central to the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done by the car's engine and the time taken for the journey. There is confusion regarding the application of formulas for time, particularly in relation to constant power and acceleration.

Discussion Status

Some participants confirm the calculations for work done, while others express confusion about the time calculation methods. There is an exploration of the implications of constant power on acceleration, with suggestions to reconsider assumptions about the nature of acceleration during the car's motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the assumption of constant acceleration may not hold due to the nature of power and velocity relationships. There is also mention of the distinction between work in joules and power in watts, indicating a potential misunderstanding in units.

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Homework Statement



A car of mass 1220 kg travels up a straight road which is inclined at an angle A to the horizontal, where sinA=0.05. The resistances to motion are modeled as a constant force of magnitude 1400 N. The car travels a distance of 25.8 metres whilst increasing its speed from 8ms^-1, at the point X, to 12 ms^-1 at the point Y. Calculate the work done by the car's engine in traveling from X to Y.
The car's engine works at a constant rate of 40 kW. Calculate the time taken to travel from X to Y.




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The Attempt at a Solution


For the first problem I got 100 658 watts, which is correct.
However I'm confused by the second.

Firstly I can use power= work/time to get time=100 658/40 000= 2.51645 seconds
But I can also use s=0.5(u+v)t to get time= (2x25.8)/(12+8)= 2.58 seconds
Where have I gone wrong?
 
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Your calcs check out. It sure looked like an inconsistency in the given numbers but ...
Constant power implies that the car will not accelerate constantly because part of the power is proportional to velocity, P = F*v. The formula s=0.5(u+v)t only works for constant acceleration.
 
furor celtica said:

Homework Statement



A car of mass 1220 kg travels up a straight road which is inclined at an angle A to the horizontal, where sinA=0.05. The resistances to motion are modeled as a constant force of magnitude 1400 N. The car travels a distance of 25.8 metres whilst increasing its speed from 8ms^-1, at the point X, to 12 ms^-1 at the point Y. Calculate the work done by the car's engine in traveling from X to Y.
The car's engine works at a constant rate of 40 kW. Calculate the time taken to travel from X to Y.




Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


For the first problem I got 100 658 watts, which is correct.
The answer should be in joules, not watts.
However I'm confused by the second.

Firstly I can use power= work/time to get time=100 658/40 000= 2.51645 seconds
But I can also use s=0.5(u+v)t to get time= (2x25.8)/(12+8)= 2.58 seconds
Where have I gone wrong?
You're assuming the acceleration is constant, but it isn't. Remember that [itex]P = \vec{F}\cdot\vec{v}[/itex]. If P is constant, as the car speeds up, F must decrease, so the car's acceleration is decreasing.
 
thanks for your time
 

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