Time ind. S.E., qualitative solution

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The discussion revolves around the qualitative solutions to the time-independent Schrödinger equation (S.E.) as presented in Robert Scherrer's book. Participants explore the implications of analyzing the equation's behavior based on the relationship between potential energy (V) and total energy (E), particularly focusing on the cases where V is greater than or less than E.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of qualitative analysis when the time-independent S.E. can be solved analytically, particularly in cases where the wave function becomes complex.
  • Another participant suggests that the author's approach aims to foster a deeper understanding of the properties of solutions, especially in scenarios where analytical solutions may not be available.
  • A participant highlights that when V>E, the wave function behaves as a dying exponential, indicating tunneling behavior, while when V
  • There is a suggestion to work through a specific example with a simple potential to better understand the physical implications of the wave function in different regions.

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Participants express differing views on the value of qualitative analysis versus analytical solutions, with no consensus reached on the necessity or implications of complex wave functions.

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Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about the physical interpretation of wave functions and the conditions under which analytical solutions may not apply.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those exploring the implications of the Schrödinger equation and the behavior of wave functions in various potential scenarios.

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In Robert Scherrer´s "Quantum Mechanics, an accessible intorduction", starting from page 53 the author gives qualitative solutions to the time independent S E with a definite energy:
d^2psi/dx^2=2m/hbar^2(V(x)-E) by studying the sign of the function and the second derivative for different values of E and V, which leads some graphs for function which behave well and the author makes some deductions from that. What buzzles me is the fact the equation is easily solved analytically, and the function will have two dinstict cases. one exponential if V>E and the second is complex when E<V.

Why would the author go through all this trouble instead of just solving the equation and in the case of complex function why even bother abouth trying to figure out the behaviour of the function psi, it have no physical meaning after all. anny comments would be appreciated
 
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Well I can't speak for the author, but my guess is that his intention is to try to introduce this way of thinking about the problem. ("What can we say about the solution? What properties will it have?")

Once you start looking at real systems, the wave equation will not have an analytical solution, and you're left with trying to figure out what you can say about it. Indeed, this is essentially how the work is done; not by empirically studying the solution, but analytically characterizing it. Using symmetry arguments for instance.
 
jalalmalo said:
In Robert Scherrer´s "Quantum Mechanics, an accessible intorduction", starting from page 53 the author gives qualitative solutions to the time independent S E with a definite energy:
d^2psi/dx^2=2m/hbar^2(V(x)-E) by studying the sign of the function and the second derivative for different values of E and V, which leads some graphs for function which behave well and the author makes some deductions from that. What buzzles me is the fact the equation is easily solved analytically, and the function will have two dinstict cases. one exponential if V>E and the second is complex when E<V.

Let me refraise. If u would have this S E could u conclude something physical from it when V<E, i e when psi gives a complex value? Besides taking the absolut square and integrating to get a probabilistic interpretation.
 
You are right, when V>E the wave function is a dying exponential. This situation is never happens classically but in quantum mechanics this usually manifests itself as the particle being able to tunnel into a region where V>E. The dying exponential indicates that you are less and less likely to find the particle the deeper into the barrier (region where V>E) you look.

When V<E the particle is free(ish): the wavefunction is periodic and this corresponds to the particle being able to move through space (the only possibility in the classical case).

I'm guessing the author is talking about the distinction between a propagating particle (V<E) and a tunneling one (V>E).

You should work out an example with a simple potential to get the idea. Try V(x)=0 when x<0 and V(x)=V (some constant value) when x>0. What will the wavefunction look like in the regions x<0 and x>0 and what does this mean physically?

Hope that helps.
 

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