Time Invariance of System with x(t) and y(t) Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the time invariance of a system defined by specific equations involving input x(t) and output y(t). Participants explore the implications of time delays and the effects of negative time arguments in the context of the given equations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents equations to analyze for time invariance, specifically mentioning the challenges posed by a negative time argument and multiple terms in the equations.
  • Another participant suggests applying a time delay transformation to assess time invariance.
  • A participant describes a method for determining time invariance by replacing x(t) with modified versions based on time shifts, but expresses difficulty with the specific cases mentioned.
  • There is a clarification regarding the interpretation of "two terms," with one participant initially confused but later indicating they resolved their issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects some confusion and differing interpretations regarding the equations and their components, but ultimately, one participant indicates they have resolved their concerns. Overall, the discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants explore different approaches without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific transformations and conditions that may depend on the definitions of the functions involved, but these aspects remain unresolved in the discussion.

Drew Carter
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Okay so the question looks like this
Determine whether the system with input x(t) and output y(t) defined by each of the following equations is time
invariant:
(c) y(t) =∫t+1t x(τ−α)dt where α is a constant;
(e) y(t) = x(−t);

There are more sub-questions but I was able to solve them. The reason I can't figure this out is the (d) has two items within the x function and the (e) question has a negative t within the x function. Help please. What do I do about the two items and negative t?
 
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What happens when you apply a time delay t -> t+d?
 
Simon Bridge said:
What happens when you apply a time delay t -> t+d?
The way I was thought is that for y1(t) your replace x(t) with x1(t), for y2(t) you replace x(t) with x2(t) which then equals x1(t-t0). Then if y2(t)= y1(t-t0). It's time invariant. My issue is doing that with two terms or a negative t
 
How is that an issue - did you do it and see what happens?
Note: both expressions only have "t" so where do you get "two terms" from?
 
Simon Bridge said:
How is that an issue - did you do it and see what happens?
Note: both expressions only have "t" so where do you get "two terms" from?
The first question has T and alpha, that's what I meant by two terms. It's fine, I figured it out
 

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