Time it takes to transmit signal to satellite (modern physics)

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The problem involves calculating the time it takes for a signal to be transmitted between two cities that are 3500 km apart, with a communication satellite orbiting 36,000 km above the Earth's surface. The cities are stated to be equidistant from the satellite.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the Pythagorean theorem to determine the distance from each city to the satellite. There are questions about the accuracy of the hypotenuse calculation and whether the satellite's position affects the distance. Some participants suggest considering the speed of light for signal transmission and question the assumptions about the satellite's location relative to the cities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have offered guidance regarding the speed of electromagnetic waves, while others have raised concerns about the assumptions made in the calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential corrections needed due to the curvature of the Earth and the positioning of the satellite. There is also mention of the problem not specifying the satellite's direct overhead position relative to the cities.

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Homework Statement



A communication satellite is orbiting 36 000 km above Earth’s surface. Two cities, 3500 km apart are transmitting to and receiving signals from each other. Find the time required to transmit a signal from one city to the other. They are equidistant from the satellite.

h = 36000 km = 3.6 x 107 m
d = 3500 km = 3.5 x 106 m
t = ?

Homework Equations



Pythagorean theorem to find l, but I'm not sure what equation to use to find time! Any help?

The Attempt at a Solution



I found the length of the hypotenuse between each town and the satellite:

l = √((3.6 x 107)2 + (3.5 x 106)2) = 3.60 x 107 m.

How do I go along from there?
 
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They are equidistant from the satellite
But your hypothenusa calculation seems to suggest the satellite is right above one of the cities ?! (Either that, or the towns are 7000 km apart...)

Another thing: You a member of the flat Earth society ? Make a drawing ! Not a big correction, but nevertheless...

You may assume the signal is not a mail pigeon, but an electromagnetic wave (e.g. a radio signal or a light signal). Such waves travel with the speed of light. Distance / speed = time ! Bingo!
 
salmayoussef said:

Homework Statement



A communication satellite is orbiting 36 000 km above Earth’s surface. Two cities, 3500 km apart are transmitting to and receiving signals from each other. Find the time required to transmit a signal from one city to the other. They are equidistant from the satellite.

h = 36000 km = 3.6 x 107 m
d = 3500 km = 3.5 x 106 m
t = ?

Homework Equations



Pythagorean theorem to find l, but I'm not sure what equation to use to find time! Any help?

velocity = distance/time

The problem never states that the satellite must be directly above the point in the middle of the line between the cities. The satellite could be just above the horizon in both cities, and somewhat more than the radius of the Earth would be added to the distance.
 
I got the answer as being 0.24 seconds which I think is right! Thank you. :)
 
What would you get as answer when the two cities are 1 km apart ?

By the way, l = √((3.6 x 107)2 + (3.5 x 106)2) = 3.60 x 107 m is wrong. Not by much, I concede.

Wim points out something sensible, but I dare to assume the satellite is above the halfway point.

Even then a correction due to the Earth being round is needed! Both to the 36000 and to the 3500 km! Make the drawing.

Good thing I'm not teacher. 0.24 s wouldn't cut the cake in my class...
 

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